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We have a Christian in the White House.....

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by LadyEagle, Dec 22, 2004.

  1. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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  2. ScottEmerson

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    So? If you continue reading, you'll see not only a shot of the entire nativity scene that is displayed in the White House, but examples of Bush's faith being displayed through his speeches. We are not a theocracy, and I would hope that Bush doesn't act like he is a theocratic leader. I'm perfectly happy with the way he is going about Christmas publically. I do hope that he worships Christ personally this Christmas season, and I believe that he does.
     
  3. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Personally,

    I voted for him because of his political views and not because of his religious views. IMO, most Americans did not vote for him based primarily on religious reasons. I think some of the key issues were:

    1. The War against Terror
    2. Tax Cuts
    3. Supreme Court
    4. I do think many were also repulsed by John Kerry (I do think the Swift Vets made a difference politically) and by the elitism of the liberal left in Hollywood (Michael Moore, etc...), and the far left (Moveon.org). These people don't relate well with middle America and the South who are the people who handed the election to Bush.

    Certainly, family and religious values did play a part in this election, but I don't think they were the primary issues in the campaign.

    Just my opinion.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Just in case some of you mistakenly think that there was no mention of the Biblical reason for the season:

     
  5. LadyEagle

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    Joseph, anybody can be religious. I would think a Christian would mention HIS NAME! His "advent" speech really skirted around the Wonderful Name of Jesus! That's what you call "surgical" precision in speech writing. :(
     
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    Point well taken. However, please also see my first post on this thread as well for further explanation of my views.

    It would be nice for him to do that, I agree. It is not, however, the reason I elected him, or his job to be an evangelist. That would be my job and the job of people like my pastor. I didn't personally elect a pastor, I elected a political leader for political reasons.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  7. LadyEagle

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    Fine, but most Christians I know don't compartmentalize their relationship with Jesus Christ, no matter what they do for a living, even if they are in a political office. In fact, if one is truly a Christian and living in a relationship with Him, it is impossible to compartmentalize it. By their fruits we know them.
     
  8. Pennsylvania Jim

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    That's what the Soviets said: believe whatever you want, but keep it to yourself.
     
  9. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Why would we expect more from someone who believes that Mohammed is an alternate saviour to Jesus, and who can sit silently by as millions of babies are murdered?
     
  10. prophecynut

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    Christians have been duped, the man is a fraud.
    Search the internet for the truth that is suppressed in the controlled media. Search Bush lies, Bush crime family, Bush fraud 9-11 etc.

    Here is an example:

    www.rense.com/general61/amtr.htm
     
  11. liebeskind

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    Ladyeagle,

    Without starting anything, I think people are making a big deal about Dec 25th and the birth of Eesho M'sheekha! I don't understand why people think he was born on or around this date anyway, because the bible clearly gives one the month he was born if you'd understand when the Course of Abijah was served by Zechariah. Also there are so many Nativity Scenes, that I'm amazed that people are not confused: Shepards no Magi, Shepard and Magi, Magi no Shepard.

    Eesho M'sheekha asked us to do one (1) thing in rememberance of him, one thing! All else is tradition and lack of knowledge of the scriptures if you ask me. It serves nothing and honors not my Lord and My God Eesho.

    Ron
     
  12. LadyEagle

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    That is not the point. The point is Christmas has been celebrated as a remembrance of the birth of Jesus Christ for centuries all over the world. Christians usually celebrate Christmas and have done so for centuries. Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. We have a President who professes to be a "born-again" Christian, reaped the fruits of the Evangelical Christian Conservative vote because of that in two elections, yet HIS fruits don't bear out that he is what he says he is. His light doesn't shine before all men, as Christ said we should do if we belong to Him. [​IMG]
     
  13. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Who the heck is Eesho M'sheekha?
     
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    The story of the OP is a lie. There is, indeed, a nativity scene at the White House, and it's not hidden.

    Also, during the lighting of the White House Christmas Tree, the ceremony started with an invocation and prayer, and the opening song wsa "Go Tell it on the Mountain that Jesus Christ is born".

    I have on two occaisions this year, heard Bush mention the birth of the Christ Child in regards to Christmas.
     
  16. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Great. We'll use the name from the Koran. Whatever "floats your boat", as they say. :rolleyes:
     
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    Who the heck is Eesho M'sheekha? </font>[/QUOTE]Jesus name in Aramaic!
     
  18. Joseph_Botwinick

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    http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/2004/photoessays/essay1/23.html

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/2004/photoessays/essay1/24.html
     
  19. LadyEagle

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    From the OP article:

    Really, John, you should read the whole article before you comment. You know I couldn't post the whole thing because of copyright rules. :(
     
  20. ScottEmerson

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    "Virtually invisible" is one of those phrases that isn't very quantifiable, and is an editorial comment instead of one of fact. Having seen a picture of the White House nativity, I can tell you that it isn't "virtually invisible."
     
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