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Featured What are some reasons many get trapped by Dispensationalism?

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  1. Iconoclast

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    Dispensationalism as a system seeks to give an answer to what is contained in the bible as each of the other eschatological systems do.

    Some Like John MacArthur and John Of Japan can give a biblical reason for their belief.

    Others have been exposed to this system and trapped in it. What do I mean by trapped?

    They have no real reason or cannot articulate a reasonable scriptural position.

    They will argue until they are blue in the face, or tweet out ideas, but cannot actually defend their belief, whatever it is.

    Has anyone else noticed this?

    What reasons have you seen that keep them trapped in a system they cannot defend?

    Let's find possible reasons for this.
     
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    First, holding to a position out of ignorance is not unique to Dispensationalism. Every "ism" has this problem. Often we believe what we are taught because it is all we know.
     
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    I agree Reformed. It was not until I was challenged that I was forced to re-examine what I hold, not once but twice on eschatology.:Sick
     
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    I’m wondering why some get trapped in the arrogance of Calvinism
     
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    Great, start a thread on it. Some wonder why you never really answer posts when directed at you, you answer as often as Y1 offers a scripture reference.
    Some would suggest your one-liners are quite arrogant.
     
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    mill give you an answer. I don’t answer when the questions aren’t really looking for an answer or a true discussion but only look for opportunities to bludgeon people. Like this thread and it’s childish title. Can’t be taken seriously.

    my “one liners” as you say are sarcasm in response to things like your arrogance. It means I’m not taking your comments as serious discussion but only attempts to start arguments. Again like this thread and it’s title.
     
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    Here we have one reason some make little or no progress, they go off topic like RM here.
    The thread is discussing Dispensational thought and difficulties. Rm does not seem to have any thoughts to share so he does a drive-by post.

    On the other thread on dispensationalism we saw the same kind of off-topic posting, by anti cal persons: here are some quotes of such off-topic posts showing why some get trapped;

    On the thread on dispensationalism this was posted;
    Like RM....off topic, not helpful.

    Again:
    off topic

    again
    [QUOTE]Yet another off topic personal insult posted by a Calvinist. Everyone knows Calvinists cannot defend their false doctrines, that is why they seek to change the subject to some imagined flaw in the character of those exposing their false doctrine.[/QUOTE]
    off topic, calling a poster off topic,lol.

    another off topic post;
    again..off topic;
    again:

    How can progress be made, if off-topic thoughts, and attacks keep happening.Non-Calvinists have an attack agenda that bleeds over everywhere.
     
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    Revmitchell,

    Well, your highness, I know you have made one of your pronouncements, but your arrogance knows no bounds.
    anyone can look over your threads and see if it what I said is so.
    The title is serious and we will develop it,
    You cannot answer Calvinists, so you do your drive-by posts as if you are the final word on everything.
    When you are asked to respond biblically you go into the witness protection program.
    Do you have any thoughts on this topic or not?
    I am not holding my breath so no worries...
     
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    Many dispensational persons are taught the system in a shallow fashion.
    They are taught it alone is true.
    The other views are dismissed as allegorical, or symbolic, and no real thought or study is offered.
    People are not encouraged to study the other views, but there is an attempt to just herd the people into one view.

     
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    Yea I do. My thoughts are you only start threads like this with childish titles out of your arrogance. You cannot defend your arrogance so when you are called out on it you “try” to act offended and obsfucate.

    Such is your constant MO.

    No one is trapped. Suggesting such is sophomoric at best and most correctly a childish attempt to belittle what you disagree with. Again such is your MO.

    Your topic is not intended to be a serious discussion only a bashing session. Again such is your MO.

    It’s best you grow up.
     
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    We saw that some in that thread spoke of literal interpretation vs. allegorical.

    Most often an appeal is made to Origen as the paradigm for "allegorical" views.
    Here is an example;
    The Grammatical-Historical Hermeneutic - Faith Baptist Bible College

    Those that hold the Postmill, and Amill views also believe in a literal interpretation but no one will look into this, or quickly seek to be dismissive of it.


    Here is another;
    BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION – A Literal-Historical-Grammatical Approach
    The historical-grammatical method of interpretation is necessary if one is going to interpret the Bible rightly. This means that the interpreter must be sensitive to the historical context and setting of the passage under examination. It also means that the interpreter must be sensitive to its grammar or word usage. Another term frequently used by theologians is “literal interpretation.” It is commonly used in its dictionary sense, “…the natural or usual construction and implication of a writing or expression; following the ordinary and apparent sense of words; not allegorical or metaphorical.”[1]
     
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    I will stand by what I post, you stand by what you post.
    You cannot discuss anything serious so it is clear you have nothing to say.
    I offered to meet you in NM...you backed out. I was there. I said we could meet with open bibles, you backed out.
    When you get challenged, you disappear...that is the M.O. you display in all 45000 posts.
    When people present biblical arguments you claim they are arrogant.
    In your world, Calvinists are always arrogant. You have a jaundiced eye, one track, 24/7
    Could you show your top 5 posts that you think edified anyone at all???
    I do not want to take the time to show your track record, but anyone interested can just read your posts.
     
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    Uh no, we did agree to meet only because you happened to be padding thru and I try to meet people I talk with from the board when I can. There was never any talk about open bibles. You’re trying to turn that into something it wasn’t.

    further I had a family issue I had to deal with and apparently you couldn’t wait any longer. So now it’s obvious you are just reaching.

    I don’t have a problem with Calvinism near as much as I do with far too many calvinists. Your title is arrogance plain and simple. It’s not intended to have a serious discussion but only to set up a bashing session of that which you disagree with. Such is your MO.
     
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    Yeah, you can go with that...
     
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    Many people who are taught a shallow view,then are taught that everything is just literal .They find the terms and charts confusing. They give up on examining it.

    Any other view is not considered,so that us mostly how the majority get trapped.
    Others get a prophecy "sweet tooth".
    They scan the newspapers looking for the next new item to fit into their prophecy chart.
    Scriptures are set aside,speculation fills the void..
     
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    I have had many opportunities to visit churches in each state.
    I can only go by what I have seen and heard.
    The default position that people offer is a bad rendition of some aspect of the premillenial ideas.
    No one who knows the position well would be satisfied with what is offered.
    When questioned they seem indifferent .
    This is a person who will not.progress.
     
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    If someone decides that being a dispute is their thing more power to them

    the prob is, once they are taught that view, they never consider other views.

    it’s crazy that most church goers can articulate all of the end times zanyness of Dispy, but cannot clearly articulate the Gospel, trinitarianism (no the clover thing and the water example are moralistic), or the Amill position

    ah well, one day, we will all leave The Great Planet Earth. Hahaha
     
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    I think it would be impossible for me to agree with you more. The reformed position requires a bit of a herd mentality at the same time ignoring passages of the Bible that are at odds with the doctrine. It requires faith in what other people say the Scriptures mean rather than a normal meaning of the words.
     
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    Your problem is you haven't been able to refute any of them.
    MB
     
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    I refuted myself as I used to be one myself.
     
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