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What Biblical basis is there for Sunday Observance

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by wopik, Oct 27, 2004.

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  1. wopik

    wopik New Member

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    Hi Trotter

    You mean we can't mix fibers, like cotton and polyester socks ?

    The combination of wool and linen (sha'atnez) is forbidden to the lay Israelite because it is a holy mixture and reserved exclusively for the sanctuary (e.g., Exodus 26:1) and the priest. By using the combination of wool and linen in the tassel, the ordinary Israelite was, however, in a small way, wearing a priestly garment.

    This gives us an important insight into the laws regarding mixed fabrics found in Deuteronomy 22:11 and Leviticus 19:19.

    Some, in attempting to adhere to the letter of the law, have eschewed anything from wool and dacron suits to wool socks with nylon-reinforced heels and toes.

    It would appear that they have utterly missed the point of those laws, not understanding the historical context.

    Notice in Exodus 28:8 that the priest's garment was made of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine-twined linen. The dyed fabrics would have been wool, whereas the linen would not have been dyed.

    The Israelite was prohibited from wearing a priestly garment just as he was prohibited from using the holy anointing oil (Exodus 30:22-33).

    http://www.bluethread.com/fringeold.htm - Sha'atnez - "Mixture of two kinds of material", forbidden for garments (Lev.19:19, Deut. 22:11).

    http://www.cemnetwork.com/essay/essay.php?eid=70 - Meaning, Intent, Spirit of the Law


    ** May-June 1983 edition of Biblical Archaeology Review there appeared a fascinating article entitled "Of Hems and Tassels" by Jacob Milgrom (page 61).
     
    #41 wopik, Nov 13, 2004
  2. Trotter

    Trotter <img src =/6412.jpg>

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    I do not try to live the Law, wopik. You, on the other hand, are trying to pick and choose what parts you want to keep. Sorry, but that does not work.

    No man can keep the Law, in whole or in part. Nor are we supposed to. The Law was given to show man just how unholy he was in comparison to God.

    Through Christ, we fulfil the Law. Without Christ, no man can obey the ten commandments. But, through the Spirit, we can live abundantly through them because of the finished work of Christ.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #42 Trotter, Nov 13, 2004
  3. wopik

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    Hello, Trotter

    Yes, we do see things a bit differently.

    The seventh-day Sabbath, instituted at Creation, reaffirmed to Israel as a part of the covenant at Sinai and taught by Jesus Christ who is the Messenger of the New Covenant, the observance of the Sabbath is considered basic to a Christian's relationship with God.
    http://intercontinentalcog.org/ICGCC/Lesson_Seven.shtml


    Paul says through faith in Christ, we establish the Law (Rom 3:31).


    Paul quotes one of the Ten Commandments (Rom 7:7) and finishes his thoughts by saying "For I delight in the law of God...." (vs22)........"so then with the mind I serve the law of God..." (vs25).

    Of course, Paul still sinned. He was held captive to sin and called himself a "wretched man" for it (vs24). If there were no Law, there could be no transgression / no sin. That has huge theological implications! (especially in light of John's teachings - 1Jn 2: 1-4).


    David considered God's laws a guiding light -- "a lamp unto my feet", precepts to show him how to avoid the pitfalls in life (Psalms 119).

    "Oh how I love your law......I have more understanding than all my teachers" (Psalms 119: 97-99).

    The Commandments were given to show us how to love God (first four commandments) and how to love our fellow man (last six commandments) --- "you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart" (first four) AND "your neighbor as yourself (last six).

    please compare Luke 10:25-28 to Matt 19:16-19. Luke gives the "condensed version" of the Ten Commandments, while Matthew has Jesus listing a few of the Commandments.
     
    #43 wopik, Nov 14, 2004
  4. Trotter

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    Your point is...?
     
    #44 Trotter, Nov 17, 2004
  5. wopik

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    The Church further obtained the right to inherit property, and Constantine moreover placed Sunday under the protection of the State. It is true that the believers in Mithras also observed Sunday as well as Christmas.

    Consequently Constantine speaks not of the day of the Lord, but of the everlasting day of the sun.

    Constantine showed equal favour to both religious. As pontifex maximus - Supreme PONTIFF -- he watched over the heathen worship and protected its rights.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04295c.htm
     
    #45 wopik, Nov 19, 2004
  6. Bartimaeus

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    wopik,
    I am a member of Akersville Baptist Church in Akersville, Ky. Would you please advise us where you regularly attend and worship. I would also like to know the location?

    Thanks ------Bart
     
    #46 Bartimaeus, Nov 20, 2004
  7. Enoch

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    Saturday is the Sabbath. [​IMG]
     
    #47 Enoch, Nov 20, 2004
  8. michelle

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    Jesus Christ is our Sabbath ;) ! Matt.11:28-30


    God did not make man for the Sabbath. He made the Sabbath for the man. Mark 2:26-28


    The church walks after the Spirit, not the flesh. Our Sabbath is spiritual, not earthly. Israel's Sabbath was a physical representation of the Spiritual. Our Sabbath came, and is fulfilled partially for us by Jesus Christ now, but fulfilled completely at the resurrection.


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #48 michelle, Nov 20, 2004
  9. Enoch

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    But Saturday is still the Sabbath. [​IMG] Do you not agree?
     
    #49 Enoch, Nov 20, 2004
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    No, I do not agree. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, as He is the Sabbath spoken of in the Old and New testament.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #50 michelle, Nov 20, 2004
  11. Enoch

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    So there is no more Sabbath, as in a particular day?
     
    #51 Enoch, Nov 20, 2004
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    How can it be? It was already fulfilled by Jesus Christ who is our Sabbath.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #52 michelle, Nov 20, 2004
  13. Enoch

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    So your answer is No. There is no longer a Sabbath day? Yes or NO. It has been done away with? Yes or No. I just want to be clear.
     
    #53 Enoch, Nov 20, 2004
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    The church walks after the Spirit, not the flesh. Our Sabbath is spiritual, not earthly. Israel's Sabbath was a physical representation of the Spiritual. Our Sabbath came, and is fulfilled partially for us by Jesus Christ now, but fulfilled completely at the resurrection.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #54 michelle, Nov 20, 2004
  15. Phillip

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    Where do you get the scripture that Jesus is our Sabbath? I'm not arguing, I've just never seen it before. :confused:
     
    #55 Phillip, Nov 20, 2004
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    I gave you the scriptures right in the post. We as born again christians also know this by the Spirit. He is our rest. Read the sermon on the mount.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #56 michelle, Nov 20, 2004
  17. Phillip

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    He is our rest.

    We were to observe the Sabbath by "resting" on the Sabbath.

    The "Sabbath" was NOT "rest" itself.

    We "rested" to honor God's creation and the "rest" He took after the creation. God did not need to rest. Rest used here was to "do nothing", not to recouporate.


    On the other hand, the "rest" Jesus gives us is because we are weary of sin and strife.


    There is a lot more to the definition of "rest" as used by Jesus. This is where other translations are handy, whether you want to accept that or not.
     
    #57 Phillip, Nov 20, 2004
  18. Trotter

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    I agree with Enoch. Saturday is the Jewish Sabbath.

    However, as a Christian and not a Jew, I do not observe Saturday as the Sabbath.

    I observe Sunday as the Lord's day, being the day that I gather with brothers and sisters in Christ to praise and worship my heavenly Father.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #58 Trotter, Nov 20, 2004
  19. Trotter

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    The title of the thread is "What biblical basis is there for Sunday observance?" That issue has been answered several times over. Wopik has now regressed into arguements on the historical past of Sunday observance in an effort to justify his own "theology".

    What was, or was not, said or done in the past regarding Sunday observance does not matter a hill of beans. It does not matter if a dozen popes declared it to be the Catholic Sabbath, or if Madonna said it.

    Observing Sunday stems from the writing of Paul and the gospels. "The first day of the week", which, according to the Jewish calender is Sunday, is regarded by Christian because it is the day on which our Savior arose.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #59 Trotter, Nov 20, 2004
  20. Phillip

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    Hi Trotter!!!

    I also agree with you. What I don't agree with is the symbolism that Michelle adds to the Bible using her own interpretation. That's all. ;)
     
    #60 Phillip, Nov 20, 2004
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