What Biblical basis is there for Sunday Observance

Wopik,

You choose to live under the yoke of the Law. Most Christians do not.

It is your choice. But, in doing so, you are neglecting the whole of the Law, thereby making yourself guilty of the whole. By trying to live under the Law, you are rejecting what Jesus Christ did on the cross.

You are on your own, wopik. I have wasted enough time and bandwidth argueing with a fence post.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Prove it.

The verses you quote are only a part of it. Read John chapter 3 and tell me again how keeping the Law will save you.

It is only through faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, His sacrificial death on the cross, and His resurrection three days later that we have salvation. Not by our works of keeping the Law...with man cannot do.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Blueridge,

Have you published your book on the Sabbath? Pretty extensive discourse!

Here are a few thoughts. (Writing as I read)

There is not indication of Sabbath Observance prior to Sinai, hence not a universal command for all of mankind.

The Sabbath is specifically a part of God’s covenant with Israel, NNE ELSE! Read (Exo 31:12-17).

WOAH! There it is. I found it. Keeping the Law for sanctification! NOT!!! Read Gal 3:1-3.


Blue Ridge Bapt,
How can we be bound to the ten, but not the rest! Your arguements that we are to keep the ten does not give any justification for keeping us under part of the Law! If you keep the law, you gotta keep it all (Jas 2:10).

Keith S
Good point on the Jerus Council. Later Paul will tell the Corinthians that meat is meat. Doesn’t matter whether you eat idol meat or not, as long as you do not worship the idol.

Wopik
Can hardly believe you are a baptist! Even a seventh day Bapt. The sabbath was NOT instituted at Creation! God rested, He did not tell man to rest on the Sabbath till Sinai! I have not seen this since working at a factory in Collegedale, TN (Home of SMC, SDA college). You are using all of their arguments. You been reading Ellen G. White?

Enoch
Yes, Saturday is the Sabbath. But it is not binding for the Church. Will be for the Jews again during the Millennal kingdom, but not now. Never for the church. Let me just fire you up on this one for a minute if you are still here. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MESSIANIC JEW!!! If you have accepted the Messiah, you are a Jewish believer. Judaism is your nationality, heritage, culture, etc, but you have become a member of the body of Christ, a believer, not a Messianic Jew. Read the book of Acts, you will not find the “Messianic Jew” concept anywhere. The Law is all done away. The Mosaic covenant was broken. The next thing for the Jews is the New Covenant after the trib and after the Jews mourn for the one they have pierced and cry out “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”

OH, ONE MORE GENERAL THOUGHT – POST CROSS BELIEVERS ARE NEVER TOLD TO REST ONE DAY IN SEVEN. NOT SABBATH, NOT LORD’S DAY (SUNDAY!!!, Wopik, check the antenicene fathers on that one, not Constantine! E.G. White has misled you again!)

Wopik,
again, of course Jesus kept the Sabbath, even the CUSTOM (NOT COMMAND) of synagogue worship on the Sabbath. THE LAW HAD NOT BEEN NAILED TO THE CROSS YET!


Wopik,
Sunday worship from Mithraism? READ THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS. SEVERAL OF THEM DEFINE THE LORD’S DAY AS THE FIRST DAY. PRETTY SURE IT WAS IN THE SECOND CENTURY. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE FATHERS, CHECK SCHAFF OR HERZOG’S CHURCH HISTORIES AND ENCYCLOPEDIAS.


Wopik,
OK. Here is a key point you are missing. God’s moral law, written on the conscience of all men is contained in the TEN. But the TEN also contains ONE that was specifically a part of God’s Covenant with the Jews made at Sinai. The Sabbath was for the Jews, PERIOD. See the Exod 31 passage cited above. SHOW ME ONE TIME, ONE TIME, that the Sabbath was kept by Gentiles, or by the descendants of Abraham prior to the EXODUS. YOU CAN’T DO IT. Why not? It’s not there. It is not part of the moral law of God as the SDA's contend. Your point about “remember” may refer back to God’s rest on creation and the Jews covenant reminding them that God delivered them from Egypt (See Exod 20:2!), but it does not remind them of a time when men “kept the Sabbath”! Oh, forgot about World Wide Church of God and Herbert and Garner Ted. Sorry, Armstrongism also taught Sabbath observance as binding on the church. Maybe you got some of this from WWCOG. Not many of them left. YET, I FEEL QUITE CERTAIN THAT SOME OF IT, PERHAPS MOST, CAME FROM SDA. IT IS TOO FAMILIAR! SDA’s still doing OK. Some inner turmoil, but still doing OK.

Back to the idea of the ten containing God’s moral law. God’s moral law is binding in all ages for all people. Not as a means to salvation or sanctification, but as a standard of judgment. No one will ever be saved or sanctified by keeping even God’s eternal moral law. Anyway, the FOURTH IS NOT PART OF GOD’S MORAL LAW! It was only for the Jews.


PAUL DID NOT EXPECT THE GENTILES TO KEEP THE MOSAIC LAW! How can you support such a radical idea! Your Scriptures sure don’t! Balance out your interpretation with the following by Paul: (I know some have already been cited earlier)

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Also by me on another thread,
“The Mosaic Law, as a conditional covenant, contained moral, civil, and ceremonial elements, but it was still ONE UNIT. It was all done away at the Cross. The fact that it was and is still wrong to do murder in no way makes the 10 commandments binding for believers! Anyone here "Seventh Day Baptist"? The Mosaic Law, ALL OF IT, was for the nation that God delivered from Egypt. It was never for Gentiles and it was never for the Church. The fact that nine of the ten are repeated "post-Cross" does not indicate that the Ten Commandments are for the church. The similarities and parallels indicate that the 10 contain elements that reflect the eternal righteousness of God and His moral law for His creation. All Gentiles, pre and post Sinai, have the Moral Law of God (not the 10) written on their hearts (Rom 2:15). There is no heathen consciousness of the Sabbath Day. 2Cor 3 specifically says that the "ministration of death, written and engraven in stones" was "done away" (vss. 6-11).

I wonder if I detect a suggestion that the 10 C's are a part of our "sanctification" in the wording of the initial question -- "to show him that it is impossible for man to keep the law by himself, without grace." This is a common idea. It is wrong. The law cannot bring justification, it cannot bring sanctification (Gal 3:3). The Law is not a standard for NT believers.”