What constitutes liberalism?

I would as well. I happen to adhere to those core doctrines rigidly (yet some on the extreme conservative spectrum will consider me theologically liberal for differing with them in matters of non-doctrinal issues of interpretation).

 

Believe it or not I get accused by many "liberals" of being a "Fundy" and accused by many Fundamentalist of being "moderate-liberal" on some issues. I have friends from every denomination and both extremes of "liberal" and "conservative". I believe there are many issues that we just have to "agree to disagree" on and continue to work together.

 

Right, there are plenty people out there who say these things. But the problem for them is that the facts are on our side. Historically, the church has believed in and affirmed the Virgin birth, that Jesus is the only way, the bodily resurrection, the Trinity, etc. When people deny these doctrines, not only are they denying what is proclaimed in scripture, but they go against the historical faith of Christianity. That is one good thing about the creeds -- they came out of a need to affirm the basic doctrines due to heretical attacks on the faith. So "liberals" denying these teachings go against what Christianity was all about to begin with.

 

You made my point about perception. JFK was a liberal but look what he said and did...

</font>[/QUOTE]HA! Hello... Or should I say "duh!" It only took about 8 or 9 hours for that to sink in, what you meant back on the other thread, LOL.

 

There's a great defining set of characteristics given for "liberal" and "conservative" in the late Dean M. Kelley's Why Conservative Churches Are Growing. Anybody here read it?

 

Consider the spread of beliefs in
one area: the inerrancy of the Bible.
The numbers are here on the Baptist
Board (BB) at this place:

Is your Bible Inerrant?

Obviously there the beleives
0, minus 1, minus 2 are not Baptist
at all. I believe that choics 1 through 8
are "Liberal", belief #9 is moderate,
and belief #10 is conservative. Beliefs
#11 and #12 are hyper conservative.
Of course, that makes 90% of the
board Liberal or non-Baptist.
But i can handle that

 

Yes, my wife chastises me for being to subtle. My fault

HankD

 

Ed, I would think that #3 is conservative and is the usual view of conservative churches. I think #1 and #2 are liberal, and I don't consider choices 4-10 as conservative or hyperconservative -- just uninformed and unbiblical (no offense to anyone). I don't like to see uninformed views termed conservative.

Guess I'll get the KJO people on my case for this but it bugs me to see those views termed conservative. Conservatives may hold them, but that does not mean the view itself is valid in a conservative theological way, IMO.

 

There are some who really think the BB is liberal. Compared to a KJVO forum, probably so. There are many posts here and ideas which would never be tolerated at other boards, they would be deleted and members banned asap. And compared to some forums I've lurked on, it's pretty tame around here, too. Even on a bad day.

 

LadyEagle said:

I've thought that, too. But I guess getting some things discussed out in the open serves a useful purpose, as long as certain things are kept in check so that the board is not overrun or overtaken by off-the-wall views.

 

Thank you Sister Marcia.
Your opinion is valued. Your opinion
is much more valued than those who will not
share their opinion or those who yell
it way to loud.

 

Where can I find one of those "other boards"?

 

JFK was a different kind of liberal. Liberals were different 40 years ago. By todays standards, JFK would be neither a liberal or a democrat.

His views were more conservative than todays republicans.

But I'll take it one step further. JFK was a Constitutionalist in the purest sense of the word. He may have attached the democratic moniker to his name because of his family, but his record shows he served the Constitution and to me, was the last president to do so.

He signed E.O 11110, which was to end the Federal Reserve Charter and put us back on a precious metal monetary system as required in the Constitution. He even planned on ending the income tax and the IRS.

Months before his assassination, he printed up millions in silver certificates. These bills were backed 100% in silver and could be redeemed in silver at any bank. Unfortunately Johnson recinded E.O 11110 as soon as he took office.

Yes, it's safe to say that President Kennedy was a true Patiot.

 

Exactly, it's perception.

Agreed.

HankD