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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jan 12, 2021.

  1. Larry the Logger

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    It's not my interpretation.
     
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    Unbiblical how? Please give the specific quote from this thread by me and one specific quote from the word of God.
    I affrim that God has always been One undivied God and three distinct Persons who are God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit who are the One and the same God.
     
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    what is this?

    "Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him."
     
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    Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing, that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him. The excuse that God is fully omniscient knowing who will and will not accept salvation.
     
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    You have given no Holy Scripture to prove that understanding is unBibical. Are you an open theist? I am not.
     
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    If you mean there is no excuse for the unbeliever at the great white throne judgment, I agree. Your reasoning for why there is no excuse is a little tortured for me. I know there is no excuse for unbelievers because of Romans 1:18-22.
     
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    I see Romans 7:14-25 applying to the believer after they have been born again, while Romans 2:1 is speaking to those who have already believed and functions as a lesson to us...resulting in His word abasing us.


    Also, salvation is "of the Lord" and is determined by God;
    Please see Psalms 65:4, Romans 8:28-30, Romans 9, Ephesians 1:4-6, Ephesians 2:10, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 and many more.
    I agree with the highlighted, my friend.
    Thankfully, there is hope for those who have believed on Christ, and there is glory for God in us knowing that He always comes to His children, stands at the door and knocks.

    Truly, we have a Friend that sticks closer than a brother.:)
     
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    It is also my understanding God's people under the Law was Israel which is made up of both saved and perishing. Exodus 32:33, Daniel 12:1, Revelation 20:15.
     
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    According to Romans 3:10-18 and Jeremiah 13:23, who actually is willing to do that...
    who changes their minds in and of themselves?
    Based on John 3:19-21, who is it that comes to God?;)

    Larry,
    I see that "dead in trespasses and sins" ( Ephesians 2 ) is in context with Psalms 10:2-11, Psalms 14:1-4, Psalms 58:3, Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18 and many others, and we are all wicked, rebellious and stubborn sinners but for God's miraculous work of the new birth in us.
    In other words, we don't choose to be born again, my friend...
    God has to do that for us before we can even approach Him in our hearts ( Psalms 65:4 ).
    It's a product of God's will ( John 1:13, James 1:18 ), not our own.

    Repentance follows a change of heart...it does not precede it.
    We don't repent in order to get God to change it, and we don't agree with Him out of a hardened heart;
    He has to soften it first.

    If someone ( like David, for example in Psalms 51 ) cries out to the Lord in repentance and sorrow for sins,
    it's because God has already performed a miracle in them.:Cool
    David himself recognized this when he wrote Psalms 65.



    May God bless you greatly in your studies.:)
     
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    Did the fellow of 2 Peter 2:1 accept Christ? Nope. So who said everyone accepted? Nobody! On and on folk, on and on...
    Christ gave Himself as a ransom for all according to scripture.
    Those chosen and placed into Christ, the "few who find the narrow way that leads to life" are sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit.

    Pay no attention to the non-stop false charges by those that suggest salvation can be lost.
     
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    This, according to you, "unbiblical" passage should suffice.
    Romans 6:1-23
    What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old selfwas crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
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    what you have written makes no sense at all!
     
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    Why did the LORD God not being fully omniscient say to Abraham in Genesis 22:12 "now I know?" Are you an open theist? I'm not. I believe it was the Son speaking truthfully Himself, being God, but not the Father.
     
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    that is because you don't understand the English language!

    NOW

    "Used, especially in conversation, to draw attention to a particular statement or point in a narrative.
    ‘now, my first impulse was to run away’" (Oxford English Dictionary)

    It does not always mean, "at the present time", as though not known in the past. So in the Hebrew, עַתָּה, also has the meaning, "already", as "I know with certainity". As in the LXX, which uses νῦν, where the meaning is, "as the case stands".
     
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    Genesis 22.12, the English is translates from the Hebrew.
    The Hebrew עתּה having the meaning at this time.

    You can say what you want.

    LXX νυν γαρ meaning "for now."
     
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    you DON'T know what you are talking about!
     
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    I agree as the entire book is applicable to believers and specifically not unbelievers. That's who Paul wrote the book to, Romans 1:7 and that was Paul's point beginning in Romans 2:1 when he rope-a-doped the believers in Rome.

    I think you confuse salvation faith at the point of being saved, with the salvation faith of believers only, after being saved per Philippians 2.

    But not before they're saved. Jesus was not talking to unbelievers in Rev 3:20 but only to believers. Churches, ekklesia, assembled ones, aren't unbelievers.

    We do. Romans 3:21-24.

    Those who DO THE TRUTH first.

    Note to self: replace Acts 16:3, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved..." with "it's the luck of God's draw pal."

    If that were the context, then Psalm 65:2 necessarily means God saved all humans throughout human history because He IS the God who hears prayer.

    1 John 1:9; Ezekiel 33:11; which comes first?

    I'm pretty sure God convicts us of sin, righteousness and judgment, (John 16:8) which is the Holy Spirit's function to both believers and unbelievers and then we respond, not, and then God responds for us. His conviction is the red light and siren that gives us a clue when, as believers, we're not living righteousness by faith and for the unbeliever who can't live righteousness by faith as well per Romans 1. Nothing about softening first. Isaiah 40 until the end of the book is what God promised when "softening" didn't work.

    That's not what Psalm 51 nor John 16:8 says.

    Right back at ya.
     
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    And you think I do not English of Genesis 22:12, ". . . for now I know that thou fearest God, . . ."
     
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    We saved unto good works, but not kept saved by good works!
     
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    Does Jesus have limited knowledge right now?
     
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