What exactly is Pagan about the RCC/Eastern Orthodox

What??????????

We worship three gods?

No.

One God. The works of the trinitaian God are individible.

 

Grace and Peace mojoala,

mono (one) theo (God)

I cannot speak for you or anyone else but Baptists worship 'One God' (i.e. thus we are monotheists).

Mormons are polytheists. They believe that God the Father is just one of many Gods who rule over multiple realities Jesus being just one. Thus Mormons cannot be characterized as sharing in a monotheistic theology.

The Trinity is not Tri (three) theo (Gods) but a philosophical articulation of three Personas in one Godhead (i.e. Father, Son and Holy Ghost).

Long story short, we continue to profess One God, monotheism.

Peace and God Bless.

 

Grace and Peace mojoala,

Personally I can say 'yes' to all three questions but be aware that both are sharers of the Divine Nature and our Salvation.

For through him [Christ] we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. - Ephesians 2:18

I believe in the Divine Nature shared by the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Again reflect on Ephesians 2:18 for a moment.

Perhaps we need to discuss what you mean by 'individual members'. That appears to be making too great a distinction of the Divine Personas and perhaps suggesting distinct 'wills' within the Godhead. Remember as Christians we believe in One God not three and there is a 'unity' within the Godhead which does not create distinctions between the wills of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. You appear to be using the philosophical articulation of the Trinity to suggest Tri-theism which is 'not' Biblical nor is it particularly Christian.

Prayer, Praise, Thanksgiving and Glorifying of God as our Creator, Sustainer and Saviour, period.

Peace and God Bless.

 

Sunday sabbath comes from paganism. Peter in the place of Jupiter is paganism... the fish hat on the pope is pagan... lots of stuff

 

There is no Sunday Sabbath--Sabbath was never changed from Saturday to Sunday. That is one thing that the RCC did not change--however the other two things mentioned in the above quote ARE pagan--plus lots of other things. Here are a few:

1. the Pope and the "alleged" apostolic succession and Peter being the first Pope.
2. the worship of Mary
3. Purgatory
4. the Immaculate Conception--that Mary was born sinless; Mary being the mother of God is pagan.
5. Transubstantiation
6. the sacrifice of the Mass

I could go on and on--but that's enough for starters

 

If you had asked me whether those practices came out of paganism - I would have said "YES" as well.

Granted.

But IF my denomination had stated that "easter eggs are holy" the way the RCC declared praying to the dead to be holy - I would certainly have a problem. (Not that we are doing the easter bunny thing anymore).

IF my denomination had stated that the easter bunny would now be "coming to church" and we would be bowing before it - as the RCC brought the pagan idols into the church and pronounced them to be saints (Pagan Parthanon comes to mind) then -- YES I would say THAT is bringing paganism INTO the church.

As your own historian - Bokenkotter said -- "With its rituals borrowed from paganism" He does not say "With its picnics and holiday parties borrowed from paganism".

You are grossly equivocating between what is done IN WORSHIP in church and what is done culturally at a picnic!!

What makes you think that a blatant fallacy of that kind would be compelling form of debate?

In Christ,

Bob

 

mojoala, you asked for anything that anyone considered pagan because you want to research these items, and yet when someone gives you a list like Claudia and Linda did, you want them to do your research for you?

You asked for a list, and they gave it to you. In reading this thread, it would seem that you don't want to research it with an openmind, you only want to try to dispell the "myths" and opinions of people about the RCC.

If you have made up your mind already, what's the point of doing "research".

Can I ask you, are you a RC?


Jamie

 

Yes absolutely mojoala is RC -

Just collecting a "list" of "pagan like practices" in the RCC as seen from the POV of non-RC Christians.

This list should be very "helpful" in helping mo conduct research focus.

 

Payer TO the deity-
Devotion and service - obedience sworn TO the family god in question
Praying before the altars of said family god or dead ancestor.

Etc.

 

Catholics of the 20th century publish the connection to paganism for the world to see and understand.

Pagan prayer methods.

 

Why then do you quote only from RC sources and push RC doctrines that are NOT practiced by Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran or even the wild and liberal Anglicans?

If as you claim - of ALL THESE THINGS - you are LEAST inclined to the truths of scripture taught by the Baptists - WHY does your profile say you ARE a baptist that is "thinking of leaving"?

 

That is the fallacy of equivocation to claim that SINCE someone went to a park and had an easter egg hunt -- the CHURCH should start bringing in pagan idols/images into church and worshipping before them as do the pagans.

That is the fallacy of equivocation to claim that SINCE someone went to a park and had an easter egg hunt -- the CHURCH should start praying to dead ancestors worshipping before them as do the pagans.

That is the fallacy of equivocation to claim that SINCE someone went to a park and had an easter egg hunt -- the CHURCH should reject sola scriptura accountability -- and start making stuff up out of whole cloth -- man made tradition taken for doctrine as do the pagans.