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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Jul 20, 2014.

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  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Don't bother I've already done it.

    The consensus or narrative that's now being constructed by the same "credible news sources" that flat out claimed Russia and the "separatists" can be the only culprits that murdered 200+ people in cold blood (see such headlines as "Putin's Missiles" and "In Russia, Crime Without Punishment") are still claiming the "separatists" can be the only culprits but now it might have been a mistake.

    It looks like these "credible news sources" have been forced to back down from their matter of fact claims due their inability to put the evidence where their word documents are.

    Do you think TND, the Rev and CMG are going back off their own matter of fact claims now because their "credible news sources" have been forced to?

    I doubt it very much. They'll probably just go silent.

    Will they be men enough to admit they may have been wrong and apologize for how rudely they treated people who questioned the lack of evidence to back their matter of fact claims?

    Again, I doubt that very much. It's not the "neocon" way.
     
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  2. InTheLight

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    I'd be interested to read those articles where the press is saying they made a mistake in pinning it on the separatists. Got a link?
     
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  3. poncho

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    Why are you asking me this? I never made such a claim.

    Here's what I said.

    "The consensus or narrative that's now being constructed by the same "credible news sources" that flat out claimed Russia and the "separatists" can be the only culprits that murdered 200+ people in cold blood (see such headlines as "Putin's Missiles" and "In Russia, Crime Without Punishment") are still claiming the "separatists" can be the only culprits but now it might have been a mistake."

    In other words they went from the "separatists" murdered 200+ in cold blood! To the "separatists" might have killed 200+ by mistake. See the difference?

    Either way they seem to be sure about knowing who did it. Even before the investigation is finished. TND and CMG came to their guilty of 1st degree murder verdict before the investigation even started.

    Maybe that's why the mainstream media is becoming the dinosaur media and the neocons can't seem to get another war kicked off anymore.
     
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  4. InTheLight

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    No, I understood you. Do you have a link where the media is admitting the downing of the jet was a mistake?
     
    #24 InTheLight, Jul 30, 2014
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    Poncho must still be working on finding that link....
     
    #25 InTheLight, Jul 31, 2014
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    Maybe he's inventing one ...

    That's what he or his sources do with every other subject he posts.
     
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  7. poncho

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    C'mon really? Do I have to look up the definition of the word "might" for you?

    Here, I'll use it in a few sentences.

    "Look out that dog "might" bite."

    "It "might" rain today."

    "The separatists "might" have shot the plane down by mistake."

    "TND "might" not insult someone today."

    "The Rev "might" show us that evidence of Russians shelling Ukrainian military bases today."

    "CMG "might" not use the old guilt by association trick today."

    "ITL "might" not try to put words in my posts that aren't there today."
     
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    poncho Well-Known Member

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    As it pertains to the last four sentences . . . "Pigs "might" fly today."
     
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  9. InTheLight

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    OK, understood. You don't have a link to a story, any story, where some Western media outlet said the separatists shot down the airliner by mistake. Boy, you seemed so sure, what with underlining and bolding your assertion just a few posts upstream.
     
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    Haven't you noticed? The less he has, the more adamant he gets. Another sure sign he's a card-holding member of the UFO/contrails/tin-foil-hat club.
     
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  11. InTheLight

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    Link is to a video showing small, local TV news stations repeating the same story word-for-word. This is because these small stations buy their "filler news" from a news syndicate and simply read their news script rather than spending time writing their own script.

    Very dishonest post, has nothing to do with neocons starting another war or the mainstream media becoming a dinosaur.
     
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  12. InTheLight

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    Poncho must still be working on finding that link....
     
    #32 InTheLight, Aug 2, 2014
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    Poncho is having a bit of trouble with the board. These are the links he wanted to post.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-...wn-by-accident-by-russian-separatists/5616748

    http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-intelligence-us-20140722-story.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ikely-shot-down-plane-by-mistake-live-updates

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-ministers-mh17-sanctions-russia-live-updates

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101854209#.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20140723-flight-mh17-us-intelligence-ukraine-russia-mistake/

    http://www.forexlive.com/blog/2014/...an-separatists-ukraine-shot-down-23-july-2014
     
    #33 Gina B, Aug 2, 2014
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    Enabling a conspiracy theorist makes you a co-dependent, Gina. :laugh:
     
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    You think that's bad - I toyed with arguing his position even though I disagree, just because I know I can and he's missing some good stuff that if properly presented, could very well make a good debate. Ha!
     
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    Thank you. All articles appear to be quoting US intelligence officers either anonymously or from a press briefing.

    Put me in the camp that believes it is likely that Russian separatists did it, but the definitive proof is lacking.
     
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    It was shot down.
     
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    The Russians themselves probably had the exclusive technical knowhow to shoot down the plane.

    KGB Lt. Col. Putin is not enough of a man to pay the millions of dollars to the families of the people he murdered. Putin is a cheapskate thug.
     
    #38 church mouse guy, Aug 2, 2014
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