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What is Biblical Inerrancy?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JustChristian, Jun 3, 2008.

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  1. No current Bible translation contains any errors

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  2. Current Bible translations are inerrant in message but contain some factural errors

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  3. The original manuscripts of the Bible were inerrant but errors were introduced in translation

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  4. The original manuscripts of the Bible were inerrant in message but contained some factual errors

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  5. There are no differences between different versions of the Bible

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  6. Only the King James translation of the Bible is without error

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  7. Only the King James translation is inerrant in message but it does contain factural errors

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  1. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Dale-C, this is a very excellent read as well as an excellent reference resource. It is real easy to check a specific verse and see if it is mentioned in the book.

    Contrast with IN AWE OF THY WORD in which you can't find any verse unless you write your own key. Also AWE has many things that are incorrect and/or deceptive.

    I recommend without hesitation:

    THE KING JAMES ONLY CONTROVERSY (Bethany House, 1995)

    (see hot link above.)
     
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  2. Rippon

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    IOW, Asko is thinking :"I don't want to face facts.I don't want to encounter objective truths which would derail my pet theory of KJV-onlyism. I am much more comfortable with hiding my head under the sand and ignoring all who would try and show me the errors of my ways."
     
  3. Askjo

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    Well, you ignore the factual evidences.

    What bothers me mostly is that I found these evidences between James White and a challenger. I looked for them in James's website and found NONE. This challenger questioned him concerning his assertion in his book. Where is JRW's answer to him? NONE!
     
  4. Rippon

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    You are not being specific. What in particular are you referencing? What 'assertion' are you talking about? White covers a lot of ground. You need to be explicit.
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    The heavyweight boxing champ of the world only fights one contender per year. The heavyweight boxing champ of the world doesn't fight a hundred 'wanna-be's a day. Neither does James R. White need to beat up on punks everyday.
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    Hot links are also nice.
     
  7. Dale-c

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    What facts? What evidence?
     
  8. Bartimaeus

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    Dale,
    Up to this point in time we have had a discussion that has been reletively poised and mundane. But now.....Wow! I must have hit a blue spot on your arm or something. Maybe your meal at supper didn't fit your "small portions all the time" pattern or something.

    Let's go to the beginning of your quote. Which of all these things that you have addressed have been issues that I have specifically stated and which of these issues are you attributing to my belief based upon what others may believe?

    Would you like to repost and ask me questions that are specifically related to my statements and also related to exactly what you know that I specifically believe?

    I'll give you a second chance brother.

    Bartimaeus
     
  9. PK

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    Most of us here on the board are teachers, pastors, preachers, or evangelist; and do we or do we not believe that God will hold us accountable for what we teach or preach? That is the reason why most of you will say, "we must always go back to the originals to make sure we are interpreting the passage correctly," right?

    So why do you use anything other than the originals?
     
  10. Thinkingstuff

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    Originals are no longer exant. They haven't been exant for mellenia. By the way I'm not really any of the above. I just love God and his word.
     
  11. Bartimaeus

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    Do you mean His Word or His thoughts and ideas?
    Interesting that you would say that.

    Bartimaeus
     
  12. Ed Edwards

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    IMVHO:
    His Word (written) = His thoughts and ideas.

    So if I were asked:
    Do you mean His Word or His thoughts and ideas?
    Then I'd say:
    YES.
     
  13. PK

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    You love God and what you think is His Word?
     
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    Why is it that God tells me that I will be judge for every word that I have spoken? Are these preserved for all eternity so that I can give an account for them? Why would God preserve my exact words but not His?

    Mat 12:37
    KJV - For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
    NKJV - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
    NLT - The words you say now reflect your fate then; either you will be justified by them or you will be condemned."
    NIV - For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
    ESV - “for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
    NASB - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
    RSV - "for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
    ASV - For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
    Young - 'for from thy words thou shalt be declared righteous, and from thy words thou shalt be declared unrighteous.'
    Darby - for by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
    Webster - For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
    HNV - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
     
  15. Bartimaeus

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    Bro Ed,
    The Lord Jesus did not communicate in thoughts and ideas, He communicated by words. He did not say,"My thoughts and ideas will not pass away..."
    To make the jump from specific word to thoughts and idea leaves room for speculation. That is why He used the words "jot and tittle". They are smaller than words. They are "letter" and "mark". He made it more precise. Thought and idea "wallows" out the hole that the puzzle bible people like to have.

    BTW I have always appreciated your humor here on the board. You get my vote for being the best dry humor comedian.

    Bartimaeus
     
  16. Askjo

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    Amen! You are right. :thumbs:
     
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  18. Ed Edwards

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    Why do we need all those translations when it was perfectly clear before?

    Matthew 12:37 (Tyndale, 14th century)
    For by thy wordes thou shalt be iustifyed: and by thy wordes thou shalt be condemned.

    Matthew 12:37 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
    For by thy wordes thou shalt be iustified, and by thy wordes thou shalt be condemned.

    Matthew 12:37 (KJV1611 Edition):
    For by thy wordes thou shalt bee iustified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

    In English ,WORD = WORDS = expression of thoughts and ideas
     
  19. Thinkingstuff

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    PK and Bartimaus,

    The original writen text of scriptures are No longer exant (in existance). The originals were destroyed many years ago through aging process etc... Have they been faithfully copied? Yes. Do the copies contain errors? They contain transcription errors. (Read Archers book on bible difficulties) Do they faithfully transmit God's word to us? Yes.

    To quible about original text is nonsense because none exist to this day. Every piece of scripture that we have is a copy. Even the dead sea scrolls are copies! Now what makes them interesting is that the dead sea scrolls are closer to the originals than what we used to translate all modern english bibles (yes including KJV) What we find is that two thousand years ago the text are not significantly different then what we have now. So the Qumran find indicates that God was faithful in having his word copied and maintained to the present day! We have 2,000 years to review.

    So yes I love God's word.
     
  20. Bartimaeus

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    Brother,
    First you say we don't have the originals because they are exant. Then, you say the dead sea scrolls are "closer to the originals that we used".....
    Very inconsistent. Which way is it? We have them or we don't have them.

    Bartimaeus
     
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