What is fundamentalism ?

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Do you know that
"fundamentalist" is NOT equal to
"ne-wage-fundamentalist" -- they are two different things?
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"Ne-wage-fundamentalist" is a figment of your imagination if you are likening this belief to be in the christian churches, just like I said. You have no understanding of what fundamentalist is, nor do you have any understanding of what New Age is. If you did, you would be able to see that New Age fundamentalists are not christian in belief at all, nor do they believe the KJBO. You have directly accused those of us who you have labeled KJVO to be New age fundamentalists. Therefore, by your statements, are alluding to christians and christians believing in New Age beliefs. I clearly showed you how this was untrue. True, New Age is anti-bible, anti-female (in the proper definition which is feminist beliefs). However, they are not anti-education, and very much for it, and they are very much into believing in aliens, or the possiblity of alien life.


You have implied that there are christians that believe these things by including those of the KJVO crowd, and this is what I was responding to.
And to which you have not discerned. If I am wrong, I apologize. You should make yourself more clear, or stop trying to paint a false picture of those who share with you the truth about the mv's.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle,
I have a bad cold this weekend and have been taking antihistimines that mess up my brain, so I am not being sarcastic by asking you what have I not answered?


Here's my confusion, you responded with this:

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I have absolutely no problems with the verses that you have quoted. After all, they ARE the Word of God.

My question was--unless I completely forgot it (and today that is possible), where is the scripture you use to show that the KJV is the "word-for-word" perfect Word of God. In other words, where does it say that ONLY the KJV can be the perfect Word of God and for instance the NKJV is not?

In fact, the verses you quote don't say anything about English AT ALL.

Again, I ask, is my KJV 1611 version the "Word-for-Word perfect Word of God?

Deut.8:3
He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.(NIV)

(Can't disagree with that.)

Psalm 12
And the words of the Lord are flawless, like silver refined in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. (NIV)

(No problems there.)

Matt.4:4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'

(Jesus was right! By the way, this is one of the passages that He most likely quoted from the Seputagint.)

Luke 4:4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone."

(I sure don't have any problems here either, it is already stated in the Old testament what Jesus is trying to tell us here.

Now if your going to go into your KJVo mode, you will say that I left out part of that verse, did I, or did a well meaning scribe decide to make sure that Luke matched up with Matthew? Doesn't matter, the point is clear in more than one place.)

Have you read the KJV 1611 printing Michelle? I have gotten through Genesis and I'm in the Middle of Exodus.) I have already read most of John in the New Testament.

 

I am waiting for an answer to the following first:

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1. The KJB replaces the origial language manuscripts as being God's word
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The scriptures in tHe KJB mirror the orignional languages perfectly in our English language?

If it is such a direct mirror, what do you do with the words that cannot be translated into English from the Greek and Hebrew.

 

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If it is such a direct mirror, what do you do with the words that cannot be translated into English from the Greek and Hebrew.

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Well obviously they could have, as we do have the words of God in our language, and God would not give them, if they were not important for all to know. Secondly, you forget that God is the creator of all, including language, and that he does have providence, power and control concerning his own words of truth, in any given language, including translations. You are basically saying in the above, God is powerless to provide, and wasted his time by giving those words to remain later in a language that English people, and others do not understand, nor would have the ability to properly translate it. All things can be translated properly and accurately, even though it may not be the same literal rendering from that language to the other, but that translation of it is exactly in the prospective language what it means, meant in the language being translated from. Just as the phrase "God forbid" shows.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Yep blame it on the other guy. Maybe you should extend a little more grace first.

Prov. 29:20, "Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? There is more hope of a fool than of him."

 

Why are you complaining because WE put that label on it? It was named that to identify the translation.

You know, named after the Anglican King who ordered it to be translated so that he could have control over the copyright. The same king who ordered a man hanged for petty theft without a trial.

The same king who sent spies to Queen Elizabeth's castle to see just how sick she was because he craved the kingship so much. The same one who spread the "plague" all over England caused by people carrying it following him and his group of merry men trapsing around the country-side to show off before he even got to his castle.

The same king who ordered the death of many Puritans who would not conform to the Anglican Church.

 

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What is your fruit like?


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There are many fruits that are produced in the christian life. Not just the discipling of others. THat is but one of the many fruits. And to be quite honest with you, the disciple doesn't produce the christian, or make one saved. They sow the seed. Another waters it, and God gives the increase. It is of God that one is saved, and it is of God that the christian produces fruit. Because many coming out of the seminaries, show forth bad fruits, it shows that it is not from God, but from someone or something else, and so therefore, in my opinion, when someone refers to them as being cemetaries, I agree. Just as Israel was full of dead mens bones, so also are the seminaries, and therefore, can rightly be called cemetaries.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

I would be happy to have the stars in my crown of just a single night of a Billy Graham crusade. The man is not perfect, but he is "perfecter" than I will ever be.

The FRUIT, Michelle, The FRUIT!

Nobody is perfect, so maybe it is time you quit judging all of us just because we believe that God saw fit to provide more than ONE translation of His Word.

 

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How does the fruit of Billy Graham compare to the fruit of his critics? Some of the critics I read who wrote what you did, have already been proven to be liars on the BB. Men such as David Cloud.

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First of all, David Cloud is not a liar, and you are falsley accusing him. Secondly, I do not rely upon David Cloud's opinions, or anyone elses opinions, but the statements, actions, associations and beliefs of the person. Get the book I recommended, and read it. It is very eye-opening to say the least.


It would be good for you to know, that just because someone says they are christian, look like they are christian, etc, doesn't make them a christian. Jesus said, let no man decieve you by any means. Jesus also warned us that there are and will be many wolves in sheeps clothing. We are to be on our guard, and warn others of these things. Billy Graham is just one of many wolves in sheeps clothing and has decieved many. You can heed the warning, or not. That is up to you. But do not accuse your bretheren and sisters of lying when in fact they bring you the truth.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Here's my confusion, you responded with this:
quote:
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[qb].....which is also fundamental to our faith. God's word says that man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. (Deut.8:3, Psalm 12, Matt.4:4, Luke 4:4)
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/qb]

I have absolutely no problems with the verses that you have quoted. After all, they ARE the Word of God.
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Phillip, you said God nowhere said that he would give us a word-for-word translation. You said this on page one I believe, and I provided you with scripture that says the opposite of this. To which you ask me a question that has nothing whatsoever to do with what we are talking about, and attempting to bring in circular reasoning and logic again, with what if's and what then's, and stirring away, yet again from the fundamental truths in scripture, concerning this very issue. Now, I have explained many times in the past, the whys, and have answered your circular questions, of course to your dislike, and disagreement, even at the face of truth. Now I ask you, as I have you and many others here, to show me exactly where God has said he would not provide us his word word for word and perfectly. Please show me where your belief that this comes from in the scriptures, comes from? Or does you belief rather come from your own opinions, and opinions of others? Where is your scriptural support for this belief?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

It is amazing just how you can twist anything said around to an argument. Someone mentions fruit and you start lecturing them on what "fruit" is. Someone mentions the fruit of an individual, and you start correcting them on how the salvation process works.

Ed makes a few statements, as only Ed can, and you choose to tell him he's wrong and give him the "Michellean TRUTH".

We are so happy to have you around so that you can share the truth with us---stupid Christians who just happen to like another English translation as good or better than yours.

Michelle, you have become such a wise person that you ought to run against the pope next time he's up for election. After all, there is NOTHING that we can say that you cannot set straight.

 

So are you now saying that the English translation is not the very words of God?

Who are you to dictate what God can and cannot do? It not up to you. To make the statement, “Well obviously they could have, as we do have the words of God in our language, and God would not give them, if they were not important for all to know” is not what God chose to do. That is rationalism. Your response smacks of rationalism and not at all who God has chosen to be. Telling what God can and cannot do is not for you to decide. Lots of if’s in your statement. Truths do not contain if’s. Give us facts without if statements.

To be quite blunt with you I am not saying that God is powerless to provide. I am saying you are foolish to think that God could not communicate the truth of scripture with out translating every word. A translation is not the very words of God. It is a translation not Hebrew, not Greek and not Aramaic. English in its limitation is incapable of translating certain words from the Greek and Hebrew text. Some of those words are very important. They determine the class of a sentence. English does not always show that very well.

Show us your knowledge of translation in your statements. Don’t make God look like he could have created green and purple men. Show us what he did by who he is.

 

Wolves dressed as sheep--

They are everywhere including on the television.

Millions of souls are being misled.

Beware of large religious followings--they are usually "in the flesh" and preaching a social gospel.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

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I am waiting for an answer to the following first:

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1. The KJB replaces the origial language manuscripts as being God's word
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The scriptures in tHe KJB mirror the orignional languages perfectly in our English language?

If it is such a direct mirror, what do you do with the words that cannot be translated into English from the Greek and Hebrew.
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I already answered you on this.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Hello Brother Phillip.

Did you notice i used "alien" like
in "alien baptism" meaning "not like us",
so that Methodist aren't like Baptists?
Did you notice that someone here mistook
"alien" for the non-earthly person type critter?

Oh well, i'll someday learn that people who have problems
with #2 Anti-education
will have problems with all of:

1. Anti-Bible (KJBO = King James Bible Only)
3. Anti-success
4. Anti-female
5. Anti-alien

 

She doesn't need the ex cathedra clause to declare her infallibility. She already is....

 

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Yep blame it on the other guy. Maybe you should extend a little more grace first.

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I didn't put blame on anyone. I asked him to stop trying to paint a false picture of those sharing the truth.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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You know, named after the Anglican King who ordered it to be translated so that he could have control over the copyright. The same king who ordered a man hanged for petty theft without a trial.

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And this is irrelevent, and missing my POINT. Stop looking at these things, and FOCUS ON THE SCRIPTURES - THE VERY WORDS OF GOD within. This is my point, and you yet again proved my point, that you focus upon the WRONG THINGS in this issue.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Somehow through your brilliance radiating so brightly I think I missed it. So could give me the past reference so I could at least look it up?

 

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I would be happy to have the stars in my crown of just a single night of a Billy Graham crusade. The man is not perfect, but he is "perfecter" than I will ever be.

The FRUIT, Michelle, The FRUIT!

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And you just might be surprised, how many dear and precious souls this man has sent back to the Roman Catholic chuch and heresies, and apostate churches. Yes, by their fruits you shall know them, and his fruit is ROTTEN.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle