What is fundamentalism ?

Did you not read what I posted earlier? He is an evangelist. What part have you played in following up on new converts just so you would know how its done. You are quick to criticize another but have given zero evidence that you have made any disciples at all.

Paul rejoiced in that the gospel was preached and here you are calling someone a heretic because you don't agree with them. Your words don't agree with the apostle Paul's.

Sometime read your Bible and see what Paul wrote, "What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice, yes, and I will rejoice."

Michelle what evidence can you give us that others are living for Jesus Christ because of your life? So far all I see is nothing.

 

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Tell us about those who are living for Jesus Christ because of your life.
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This thread is NOT about me. Why don't you tell us about you. Stop turning every discussion back on to me and my personal walk. We are discussing a man and his fruits that are WELL KNOWN and who is in the christian lime light and who has influence over and influenced many.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

This'd be funny if it weren't so sad....

 

Seems like turnabout might be fair play, since you seem to be pretty confident discussing everyone else's fruit.

And everyone else's "spiritual blindness"...

Those who are willing to examine other's fruit ought to be willing to examine their own.

 

Yes, I can tell. I read some of his information on the web. Earlier that was discussed on the BB and it was found the guy was simply not telling the truth. Need I say more. Recently I witnessed to a man and he asked me about how people could follow what he called shamans.

Jesus put them in their category well.

Mt. 7:21-23, "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

James talks about the source of the evil tongue--Gehenna. When I look at scripture and how it addresses thsoe who cause division and do not tell the truth I no longer wonder about their god. It is obvious.

 

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Seems like turnabout might be fair play, since you seem to be pretty confident discussing everyone else's fruit.

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We are talking about a popular and well known evangelistic preacher out there, whose fruits are known by all to see. We are not talking about some mere person such as me, and unknown, or any other unknowns in the christian world here on the BB boards.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Yes, Pope Michelle.

 

Paul never had any trouble talking about those he followed up on. Jesus named His disciples. So why can't you.

You write like everyone else is apostate and absolutely ignorant. Billy Graham is a heretic and you know for sure. You have never been a part of the BGEA but you know for sure he is wrong and does not preach the gospel. You know he is apostate. You always know for sure ebcause God told you. Isn't it amazing that nobody else on the BB can make that same claim like you do.

Why do you have trouble telling us about those who are living for Jesus Christ because of your life?

You are quick to criticize another servant of God and call him a heretic and apostate. He has publically stated that he is just a man and has made mistakes. I have found him to be a most gracious, godly man. I went to the Billy Graham School of evangelism. No powder puff preachers there. Some of those preachers had met up with some rough life threatening circumstances because of preaching the gospel.

Michelle before you are so quick to criticize a servant of God be even quicker to seek the truth and then be humble. Before you are so quick to criticize just take a look at the fruit of his critics. That applies to anyone. Take a look at your own fruit first though.

I have been involved with he BGEA and have been to the Billy Graham School of Evangelism and find nothing to be true of what you wrote about him.

From what you have written all I find true about you is that you are a critic and have come forth with the evidence of no fruit.

So again I ask, "Whose living for Jesus Christ because of your life?"

 

If you would go out and start winning people to Christ you would have plenty of critics too. Somehow Satan seems to provide plenty to hopefully try and distract you.

When we do God's work we wil have plenty opf poison pen letetrs and gossip and so many other things. If a man does not have critics I would wonder about the integrity of his work being of God. I don't know of one person who sough to live for Jesus who hasn't had trouble along the way by those who want to distract them.

 

Mt. 7:2, "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

Lk. 6:37-38, " Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again."

 

Show us where he has made such claims. He is God's servant not Jesus.

 

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Yes, Pope Michelle.
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Phillip, I politely ask you to stop calling me names. If you cannot hold a discussion without resorting to such name calling and accusations, then I will end discussing this with you.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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I have been involved with he BGEA and have been to the Billy Graham School of Evangelism and find nothing to be true of what you wrote about him.

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Well, I guess this explains why you will not see the truth, because you are very biased and this is affecting your judgement. Only God will be able to show you.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Billy Graham is the most successful evangelist
in the Western world EVER. Tens of millions
of people will be in heaven because of the
witness of Billy Graham. Those pseudo-fundamentalists
must dis him to uphold their anti-success
anti-fundamental.

A couple of years ago i looked in on a dozen
"fundamental" web sites. One had a picture
of 11 people (there were 12 people at church
on picture day, the pastor's wife was behind
the camera) To make ends meet the preacher
had to take in foster children.
eight of the 12 people in the church were from
the preacher's family. A failure for Jesus.
Sorry, I'll focus on the successes.

Another dissed person is Jerry Fallwell.
Fallwell is a successful pastor and evangelist.
From him I got this definition:

The fundamentals of traditional fundamentalism:

1. the inspiration and infallibility of scripture
2. the deity of Christ (including His virgin birth)
3. the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death
4. the literal resurrrection of Christ from the dead
5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

 

Might as well be biased toward the truth than a lie.

Tell us what you know personally about Bily Graham. Not what someone else wrote but what you actually know to be the truth.

 

Michelle I noticed you commented on the paragraph before. Did you see the following?

"Michelle before you are so quick to criticize a servant of God be even quicker to seek the truth and then be humble. Before you are so quick to criticize just take a look at the fruit of his critics. That applies to anyone. Take a look at your own fruit first though."

 

Michelle,
Where do you get your wild spins on history?

Where is your evidence that he died other than a Roman Catholic?

Did you get this at the same place you got the history of the Anglican church, when you stated that they were like Baptist churches, but only went down-hill later, after the first KJV was born?

Uh, by the way. If I were you I would be recanting some of the stuff you have been saying in regards to Dr. Graham. It is also obvious that you know little or nothing about his ministry or history.

If you are going to tell us that we are all wrong, then I'm going to tell you that you have a lot to learn and when you make a remark that Dr. Graham is a wolf in sheeps clothing, you are implying that he is not a Christian and that he is purposely leading people astray.

If you want to look at his fruits, why don't you wait until you get to heaven--they will be all around you.

You claim you can make statements about him because he is a big evangelist and you are not. The remarks about him that you made are on the world-wide-web where millions of people can see them. How can you possibly feel comfortable making these kinds of remarks and judging someone to YOUR standards.

NOw, here is how I expect you to respond to this, assuming you respond at all. Either you will pull out one line and go off on a tangent, making what I said look completely different, or you will clip and paste a few scriptures about "evil men" with the inference that Dr. Graham or the other stupid Christians on this bulletin board are among those. Then when called on it, you will play victim and say: "OH no, I was simply quoting scripture to try to show you all the truth."

Does it EVER occur to you, Michelle, that you just might be wrong?

Does it EVER occur to you that maybe your interpretation of things may not be accurate?

We should all ask ourselves, what is our fruit? What did I produce today? How many people will die today that I planted the seed who will see Jesus.

My guess is, that regardless of your ranting about false conversion (which is totally out of line--in respect for those who truly are converted at Dr. Graham's meetings) could cause more confusion than the follow ups of Dr. Graham?

You know NOTHING about Dr. Graham's follow-ups because our church participated in the follow-up of saved people when the movie the "Cross and the Switchblade" was shown free of charge thanks to the Billy Graham group. We went through extensive training and only certain denominations were allowed. It was our job to provide the counselors and the follow-up to find the Christians homes. Many of these became good church members. We were trained extensively to do this for months before the single week-end event. You know NOTHING about the back-ground work. Then you turn around and have the gall to call a man of God a "wolf in sheep's clothing".

I'm sorry I'm so blunt tonight, but I'm tired and have a cold and although that is no excuse, when I read your posts speaking evil of a man of God (who is NOT perfect), I am going to step up and say that you are "out-of-line".

I would never compare myself to such a great man of God. If I did, I would fall on my face short at the finish line.

My fruits are little.

But, back to the thread on fundamentalism. You have no idea what fundamentalism is and Ed nailed it to the wall. Fundamentalism is not preaching that someone elses translation is wrong. Fundamentalism is not making a blanket statement that seminaries are putting out many evil men when you have never even been to one.

I am really getting frustrated with the way you blast into these threads and kidnap them for your cause. Maybe I am the only one.

If I have been out of line here, I appologize, but I honestly feel that I have correctly summarized your contributions to this thread.

 

I will stop calling you names if you will stop talking about a man of God in a libelous manner.

Besides, you have not been discussing, you have been "demanding" and I have simply been responding.

The name calling is all in jest and I think everybody on this board knows that, including yourself, but again you are turning it around to make yourself the victim.

Oh, poor, Michelle, the evil men are calling her names and all she is trying to do is show them the path to truth and light.

How many times have you quoted scripture about men in the Bible who are evil and insinuated that it was talking about us simply because we do not agree with YOU.

At least I do it to lighten the discussion---you do it because we tell you that you are wrong and you cannot take it.

You are good at twisting things around, but your not as good as you think because it is so obvious to those who read the threads.

I said, "Pope Michelle" in jest. If tht offends you and you cannot handle a little humor, then I honestly appologize, but I will not back down from telling you the facts if you continue to make ignorant statements such as Billy Graham is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Otherwise, if you do not wish to discuss, then that is your loss, not mine.

 

No, you're not the only one. I long for good reasonable discussions, without the judging of the spirituality of everyone and his/her sister.

It would be nice to get back on topic. Here are the 13 points of fundamentalism (The 5 were first, and the 13 are just a later fleshing out of the five.)

 

Do you see what I mean, Michelle, you will stoop to any length to prove that YOU are right.

But, I'm certain that God has shown you what is right and obviously all of the other pastors and laypeople on this website cannot make this connection with God.

You got mad because I jokingly called you "Pope Michelle" -- I did promise to quit doing that, but let me tell you why I did. The Pope claims to be an intermediary with God. You seem to think that you are the intermediary with God for anybody who has not been TOLD the same truth that you have.

Am I blunt? Sure, but I'm calling it like I see it. Sorry. . .