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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
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    In another blog post by Dr. Mounce from Nov. 3,2017 he says:

    "It is time that Bible marketers stop this deceptive claim, that their 'literal' translation of the Greek reflects the structure of the Greek. The CSB makes up a term, 'optimal equivalence,' which really doesn't mean anything. [It is] a formal equivalent translation sitting between the ESV and NIV. I like the CSB, but that is what it is."
     
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    From 10/16/17 Dr. Mounce says:

    "...words do not have a literal meaning, we translate meaning, not form..."
     
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    Rippon, why are you so mean spirited?

    I don’t recall you having that in the past, or am I thinking of someone else?

    Of course, I usually see you mentioning others grammar or spelling, but even that is typically done in kindness.

    So, this kind of catches my eye as not worthy of you.

    So, I asked.
     
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    Interesting link that gives first hand (NIV) rational for revisions.

    The 2011 Revision of the NIV

    (Link furnished earlier in a post by Yeshua1)
     
  5. Rippon

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    I am not. You are mean to say that. ;-)

    I was simply pointing out that Y1 is a poor, delusional fellow.

    You need to follow along agedman. Read Y-1's posts --especially 13,18 and 33.

    Then read my responses in posts 34 and 37.

    That simple exercise in reading will set you straight.
     
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    I like Mounce, but JoJ showed us that "optimal equivalence" wasn’t just a fancy name slapped on to wow people.

    A Glossary of Translation Terms
     
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    More literal than the Niv, and less than the Esv?
     
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    Nkjv used that term first though in their translation!
     
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    It would be better to say more formal than the NIV, but more functional(or dynamic) than the ESV. However, the way you use "literal", your statement is correct.

    *The word "literal" often causes confusion and misrepresentation amoung some people.

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    Some seem to indicate that there was a woman named as an Apostle among them, and that Paul was allowing for women to be pastors!
     
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    Bible Translations, the only topic where people will use the word literal figuratively.
    :Roflmao
    (Just joking, of course.)
     
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    Formal would be a good way to state this!
     
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    But was that "apostle" the office of apostle or just "one sent out" as a representative of the church. Even if Junia is indeed a woman and listed as "outstanding" amoung the apostles...which does appear to be a possibility...complimentarism does not hinge on this verse, nor does it do damage to it. We can easily see Junia as more of a missionary who is serving with her husband.

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    I do see her as being listed among them in the sense you suggested, but not that she was a Apostle!
     
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    Correct.
    There are other perfectly good Bibles available, so why would I use a new one unless it is a clear improvement?
    It isn't and I won't.

    In fact there is a plethora of translations on the Critical Text. There is no real reason or purpose for them. I rather suspect that some, at least, are after their share of the lucrative Bible market. :rolleyes:
     
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    This is why I would love to see the new Nas when it comes out in their equivalent of the Esv study bible!
     
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    The term is a marketing ploy --nothing more or nothing less. It's not a quantified fixed formula.
     
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    Don't be so self-centered. I was making the point that others (that means not you) could benefit from having it. It would do something good for the kingdom of God. However, throwing it in the wastebasket would be dishonoring to the Lord. It is His Word that you would be ditching as if it was a worthless piece of trash. That's disgraceful and runs counter to your work with the Gideons. Think about it --the very principles of the Gideons you would be willing to abandon just because you have some petty disagreements with a Bible translation.

    There are many people in the world with no translation of any portion of the Word of God and some with a fraction of it. But you with contempt think throwing the CSB in the trash is a noble act. As I said, that's disgraceful.
     
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    An 'essentially literal' translation--either lexically or syntactically --is a myth. It is ultimately irrelevant whether an adverb is replaced by a prepositional phrase or a participle replaced by a verb. The question that matters is, "is the meaning reproduced?'

    Page 17, 'Literal Meaning' Fallacy by Mark L. Strauss
     
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