What Is The Best Translation of Luke 17:21?

Hmm..... how about this, instead?

Fixed.

 

Every one of those scholars you said "run circles around us" began their running by taking a single step.
Rather than "leaving it to the true Scholars", we should search out truth, learning from those that went before us.

Please listen to the very words of those scholars you praise so highly.

"They that are wise, had rather have their judgements at libertie in differences of readings, then to be captivated to one, when it may be the other."
Original Preface to the 1611 KJV

Rob

 

Luke 17:21 (KJV1769 Edition):

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. F41

FOOTNOTES:
F41: within you: or, among you

Ehud: //Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Why, because it comes from the preserved inherent
word of God. This was the Standard for over 300 years.
Just believe it by faith.//

1769+301=2070 (gotta wait for what you said to
be true for another 63 years).

I believe that if the King James Version is
the only possible correct English Version then
it's translator footnotes are INERRANT HOLY WRIT.
Since 1611 honest KJB printers have printed the
That means for 396 years the STANDARD is
that you can make your own choice between:

Luke 17:21: (KJV1769 Edition, primary reading):
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

OR:

Luke 17:21: (KJV1769 Edition, also good reading):
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold, the kingdom of God is among you.

A question also on standards:

shouldn't it say? "Lo here" or, "Lo there"
or maybe "lo here" or, "lo there" ?
What standard rule of capitalizaion is in
play here?

 

Post 43 says:

Post 43 should have said:

 

Ed try again!!!!!

Thanks for pointing out that discrepancy Ed.
Try 1611 + 300 =1911 with some to spare. Actually the standard for 396 years.:laugh:

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Loe here, or loe there: for behold, the kingdome of God is within you. KJV 1611

My 1611 says the same thing as my 1769, so I can start from 1611

Ed. this is bad logic. I am not sure what you mean by this. All my Bibles have no foot notes. So I guess they took away from the Bible. Now I guess if they were considered part of the inspired text they would have stayed there. Anyone knows foot notes are not inspired. This is why they are placed out side of the text.:laugh:

Luke 17:21: (KJV1769 Edition, also good reading):
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold, the kingdom of God is among you.

Ed do not be decietful. You put a foot note " Among"in place of the perserved word "within"







Ehud and co.

 

Come on folks. This was a good, scholarly discussion until someone iterjected the KJV issue again. The resulting comments became focused on the KJV instead of the topic at hand.

I have been closing thread after thread lately. A member gave his view about Luke 17v11 reasoning that the KJV was correct because it was the KJV. Now I realise that that is circular reasoning, but can't we leave it there instead of getting derailed into the KJV issue?

If not, well, you know the rest.

 

Ehud: //All my Bibles have no foot notes.//

If they claim to be King James Versions (KJVs)
but have not the KJV Translator Footnoes;
then they have been printed by deceitful men
who misuse and abuse God's Holy Written Word
(probably for filthy lucre).
The Preserved-by-the-Grace-of-God Bibles
have the Translator Footnotes. The Translator Footnotes
are part of the Translation.

The following kinds of footnotes are NOT part
of the translation:

1. comentary (such as Scofield's Notes)
2. cross-reference notes (suggesting similiar
verses, these are usually good, just not inspired)

Ehud: //Ed do not be decietful. You put
a foot note " Among"in place of the perserved word "within"//

I have not deceived you.
You have been deceived, just not by me.
Whoever told you 'Among' is NOT a preserved word here
of God's Holy Bible (God's Written Word) - that one
has deceived you.

BTW, the footnotes in the original KJV1611 Editions
were in left and right margin. 'Margin Notes' are
aslos called 'footnotes' just like 'footnotes' are called
'footnotes'. I deceive you not.

Ehud: //Try 1611 + 300 =1911 with some to spare. Actually the standard for 396 years. //

The KJV did not immediately become the standard
Bible for English speakers in 1611. There were only a 1,000
or so copies made in 1611. The lead type made then had to
be handcarved and were only good for 300 maybe 400
copies to be printed.

The newly changed KJV1769 editions came out in 1762 and 1769.

Remember in 1776 the 13 Colonies in American were in
full rebellion against the Crown of England - This included
the King of England. A copy of the KJV1769 then cost about
2 months work for a common laborer (who couldn't read it)
- it was 3 Pounds Sterling - 1 of those pounds of silver went
directly to the King James of England. This was the document
tax that the American colonies were in rebellion about.
It was un-Baptist and un-American to own one of the KJVs.
The KJV didn't become the Standard Bible in the USofA until
about 1830.

 

Meanwhile, back on topic:

1. Here is a good translation
(Why do some condemn the NIV?):

Luke 17:21 (NIV = New International Version)
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,'
because the kingdom of God is within you."

Who is deceiving who?

2. Here is a good translation
(Why do some condemn the nKJV?):

Luke 17:21 (nKJV = New King James Version):
nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' F116
For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

FOOTNOTES:
F116: NU*-Text reverses here and there.

*a clearly Westcot & Hort source
Strange, Westcot & Hort source agreeing with
the KJVs first choice?
Who is deceiving who?

3. Here is a good translation:

The Holman Christian Standard Bible
Luke 17:21 (HCSB = Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/):
no one will say, 'Look here!' or 'There!'
For you see, the kingdom of God is among you."

Humm, agrees with the KJV footnote.
Who is deceiving who?

With my preconceptions I must try to figure out
what both of these translations being the inerrant
and Preserved Written Word of God - what does it mean?
And I still think the purpose of this Forum of the BB:
the Version/translation Forum, is to discuss this among
equal Baptists - not to argue about one Edition of one
Bible containing everything that is true about a
transcendant God.

So here is my call on this subject:
Both translations are exactly right on. :thumbs: Amen!

 

I am closing this thread. You guys don't seem to be able, on either side, the leave the KJV issue aside.