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What is the deal in California?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Jailminister, Sep 4, 2003.

  1. Jailminister

    Jailminister New Member

    Jun 10, 2003
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    JohnV, since you are from California can you tell us what is going on out there. See below:

    California Senate
    scolds Boy Scouts
    Passes resolution slamming group for not accepting 'gays,' atheists

    Posted: September 2, 2003
    5:00 p.m. Eastern

    © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

    The California state Senate has passed a resolution criticizing the Boy Scouts of America for its policy of excluding homosexuals and atheists.

    The legislation, which passed last week on a 22-15 vote, begins by praising the group for the work it does in the community, but in the end demands the organization accept applicants "without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief," reported the Roseville Press-Tribune.

    The Boy Scouts has come under increasing pressure to change its policy, which has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, and has lost countless dollars in donations due to its stand.

    The legislation was sponsored by Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, D-Los Angeles, herself a lesbian.

    "I think it's important for the state of California to speak up and not be silent, and to say to the Scouts, if you have a religious belief, that's your belief. But keep it separate from a youth-serving agency that serves kids in all neighborhoods," Goldberg told the paper. "I hope we put pressure on them to make this open to all kids. Anybody who knows me and my family knows we love scouting. This is out of concern for (Scouts)."

    Goldberg's bill passed the state Assembly by a vote of 43-2. Nearly half the 80 members did not vote or abstained on the resolution.

    Opponents of the bill see it as government intrusion into the policies of a private organization.

    "Our moral values in Boy Scouts are being treated as if they were inferior values," Republican state Sen. Rico Oller told the Press-Tribune. "Gay and lesbian groups are saying that we with traditional Christian values have to accept people who are avowedly opposed to those views. The Boy Scouts should be able to be the Boy Scouts, an organization based on faith, God and duty. You can't have it both ways."

    Continued Oller, "This is about hate on the part of the radical gay and lesbian community, on organizations that are founded on more traditional values."
  2. ChurchBoy

    ChurchBoy New Member

    Apr 18, 2003
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    I, too, am a Californian. This is an example of political correctness out of control. Basically the state is trying to tell the Boy Scout, a private organization, what to think. The state is saying that if a group does not think like they do, then there is something wrong with that group.
  3. Jailminister

    Jailminister New Member

    Jun 10, 2003
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    This should be challenged in court. They(Cal. senate) have violated the 1st admendment.
  4. Johnv

    Johnv New Member

    Oct 24, 2001
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    The purpose of the measure was to recognize the efforts of Boy Scouts who earn the rank of Eagle Scout, and to encourage the Boy Scouts of America to accept for membership and leadership positions all qualified boys and men, without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief.

    As a matter of law, it has no legal weight. It's simply a resolution (not a bill). It is simply some senators and assemblypersons making a statement as members of their office.

    While I'm glad that the resolution recognizes the efforts of members who have achieved the rank of Eagle Scout, I must agree with ChurchBoy. I'm generally not in favor of lawmakers influencing private organizations. However, as a former Boy Scout myself, I've always found it hypocritical that the BSA has no policy of expelling heterosexual men as leaders if it's discovered that they are in a sexual relationship with a female (or even living outside of marriage with a female), but will categorically expel a homosexual leader, even if that person is celibate. Additionally, there's no policy expelling a Scount if it's discovered he's sexually active, while a gay member will be expelled, even if that person is a virgin. Don't get me wrong, I love the BSA, and would recommend it to anyone of any religious creed, Christian or otherwise.

    Full text of the resolution is attached below:



    INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Goldberg (Coauthors: Assembly Members Bermudez, Chu, Diaz, Dutra, Firebaugh, Hancock, Kehoe, Koretz, Laird, Leno, Lieber, Longville, Lowenthal, Montanez, Nation, Pavley, Ridley-Thomas, Vargas, and Wiggins) (Coauthor: Senator Kuehl)

    APRIL 8, 2003

    Assembly Concurrent Resolution No. 89--Relative to the Boy Scouts of America.

    WHEREAS, Since the founding of the Boy Scouts of America, millions of Boy Scouts have taken the experience of scouting and gone on to contribute great things to society; and
    WHEREAS, A Boy Scout can be followed, as he is a leader in histroop and community, regardless of the scout's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sexual
    orientation, or disability; and
    WHEREAS, The list of former Boy Scouts includes diverse role models and leaders; and
    WHEREAS, A Boy Scout lives honorably, not only because honor is important to him, but because of the significant example he sets for other scouts; and
    WHEREAS, Loyalty to his troop and brother scouts makes him "pitch-in" and carry his share of the load, recognizing the devotion to his family and the community in which he lives; and
    WHEREAS, A Boy Scout's courage means standing up for what he believes in without compromising his own beliefs; and
    WHEREAS, A Boy Scout looks forward to each day, seeking his share of the world's work to do; and
    WHEREAS, Honor, loyalty, and courage are hallmarks of scouts who admirably represent the community, council, and troop in their daily lives; and
    WHEREAS, A Boy Scout always wears a smile as a constant reminder of cheerfulness; and
    WHEREAS, A Boy Scout is helpful in service and will always "Be Prepared" to put forth his best; and
    WHEREAS, The character traits represented by Boy Scouts are symbols present in the Boy Scout badge, worn proudly on the uniform, by youth in this state and across the country; and
    WHEREAS, It is the mission of the Boy Scouts of America to serve others by helping to instill values in young people, and in other ways to prepare them to make ethical choices over their lifetime in achieving their full potential; and
    WHEREAS, The values that the Boy Scouts of America strives to instill are found in the Boy Scout Oath and Law; and
    WHEREAS, Boy Scouts are required to abide by the Scout Law and Scout Oath which proudly uses such terms as "honor," "trustworthy," and "loyal;" and
    WHEREAS, Many Boy Scouts have been forced to hide their identity in contradiction to the Scout Mission, Law, and Oath, and Boy Scouts and scout leaders who were open about their sexual orientation have been expelled from scouting; and
    WHEREAS, The policy of the Boy Scouts of America to bar from membership or leadership positions otherwise qualified individuals solely on the basis of their sexual orientation or eligious belief causes harm to the innumerable boys and men such as James Dale who, regardless of their hard work and merits, are denied the opportunity to hold the rank of Eagle Scout or participate in any way in the Boy Scouts of America; and
    WHEREAS, Many former Boy Scouts have left scouting and formed their own inclusive organization, Scouting for All, in an effort to bring the values of scouting to youth without discrimination; and
    WHEREAS, The discriminatory policy of the Boy Scouts of America is contrary to the policy of the State of California; and
    WHEREAS, Other similar organizations such as the Girl Scouts, Camp Fire Boys and Girls, and the Boys and Girls Club serve as role models for the Boy Scouts of America because they do not discriminate against youth and adults; now, therefore, be it
    Resolved by the Assembly of the State of California, the Senate thereof concurring, That the Legislature recognizes the outstanding efforts of Boy Scouts who, through persistence and hard work, earn the rank of Eagle Scout; and be it further
    Resolved, That the Legislature encourages the Boy Scouts of America to accept for membership and leadership positions, including the rank of Eagle Scout, all qualified boys and men, without
    discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief; and be it further
    Resolved, That the Chief Clerk of the Assembly transmit copies of this resolution to the author for appropriate distribution.