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What IS the real debate?

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by AwesomeMachine, Aug 21, 2017.

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  1. AwesomeMachine

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    I have the benefit of being raised by an atheist. Most people here would not consider that a benefit. But I am familiar with my father and his motivation toward evolution. During the last ten years we have had several discussions, and he has lent me courses on CD from the Teaching Company's Great Courses series.

    I have found these audio courses to be little more than atheist doctrine. The professors teaching the courses have PhD credentials, but not in the subject they are teaching. For instance, one of the courses on the Bible was taught by a PhD in scientific literature.

    He went on to build a case proving that the Bible cannot be properly interpreted when translated into languages other than the original, but that his own interpretation is correct. Then he went on to prove that every form of legally permitted immorality is also permitted by sacred scripture.

    It turns out that the instructor lives a life of open immorality, and the course, which he is not qualified to teach, is really an elaborate justification for his own sin. The course on evolution begins with a lecture discrediting sacred scripture in a ridiculous way.

    I've noticed when discussing the theory of evolution with atheists that the conversation on their side eventually degenerates into giving all of the righteous a verbal finger, because atheism is at it's root a means to exact vengeance on the chosen of God.

    There aren't many people who believe in secular evolution. Every child in the USA is taught evolution, but only 4% of adults believe they're origin is random. Then, it must be intuitively evident to almost everyone that God created the world.

    As part of my upbringing my father used to perform line item rebuttals of biblical teaching, based on scientific fact. But I love God's word, so I continued to secretly read the Bible as a kid. I love my Dad, but at the same time I know his beliefs are justification of sin; a way to manage the guilt that accompanies sin.

    No one will ever convince an atheist that the theory of evolution is flawed, based on logical arguments, because the belief is emotionally rooted. Atheists deny God because they don't want to be subject to the absolute moral law. If you try to convince someone with that motivation, based on rational arguments, they will retaliate with irrational responses.

    Unfortunately, because of my faith, I've all but lost my Dad. He yet lives, but he has contempt for me and what I stand for. My siblings all died young. So, I'm the only child he has left. Most people who subscribe to evolution as a completely secular notion do not understand the theory, because it really is unintelligible and without rational basis.

    Riddle me this: What did people do between the time infant humans began randomly excreting waste--which continues on to this day--and the invention of diapers (textiles). Nothing suited to the task exists in nature. If evolution can't explain that, it's worthless!
     
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    Indeed. The essence of our sin is that we say to God - Who are you to judge me?

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    At its core atheism is simply unbelief. In some instances, atheists are closer to being converted than religious people. That is why the only tried and tested method of seeing people come to faith in Christ is the preaching of the Gospel. The gospel cuts through all the muck and mire that people surround themselves with, in order to crowd out God.
     
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    I work along side a nuclear lab with an atheistic gentleman.
    He lives a moral life.
    His "beliefs" stem from his ability to reason.

    We've had numerous converstations over the years about my faith .
    I trust in a mighty God - he trusts in reason.
    I like to argue that between the two of us, he has the greater faith - he doesn't understand the statement and it drives him crazy.

    Swaddling clothes were used clothing, strips of cloth, used to restrict movement and cuddle an infant - rinsed or discarded when soiled. As in modern depressed areas toddlers go about without clothing.

    The translation of Isaiah 64:6 has been cleaned up to fit better with acceptable modern standards.
    Look up the meaning of polluted garment to understand practices of the past.

    Rob
     
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    I think the point may have been how was this handled prior to the invention of the loom, cloth, etc. What was the evolutionary impetus, as there seems to not be any.
     
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    In my signature is my favorite saying. Simply by voicing that, without other qualification, people have several times responded with the exact words you cite, "Who are you to judge me!"

    In reality, it is only truth that judges.
     
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    OK, I successfully used the "quote" function once, but I can't really figure out how I did it before. If you look at my signature, and you repeat exactly what it says, many people will respond with, as HankD has noted, "Who are you to judge me?"

    The simple suggestion that there exists an absolute and inflexible truth causes many people to retaliate as if they are being judged guilty. They will be faced with absolute truth when they die. But they won't be able to ask God, "Who are You to judge me?"
     
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    Atheism is not unbelief. It is rebellion.
     
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    αθεος = atheos = a theos
    Atheist = a theist
    a = no
    theos = God
    Atheist = no God
     
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    I think some people are set up by flawed "modern" modes of thought and a defective "world view" that produce intellectual indignation when presented with biblical explanations of natural phenomena. They esteem themselves by false criteria--most commonly by academic achievements and income--and therefore see little value to each person beyond their economic contributions to society.

    Atheism is a faith-based belief system that elevates human understanding to the position of truth, making atheists laughing stock for the sons of God (the angels).
     
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    It is both.
     
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    I understand the meaning of the word. Most "atheists" know there is a God. They rebel and try to convince themselves there is not.
     
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    The atheist demanding proof of God is like the mouse demanding proof of the cat.
     
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