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What makes a State/Commonwealth Red or Blue?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, Apr 25, 2017.

  1. Salty

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    We often talk about a State/Commonwealth being red or blue -
    but how is it determined how this is determined.

    Now if :

    1 Governor
    2 Lt Governor ↑1↓
    3 Majorityof State Senate
    4 Majority of State Assembly
    5 Majority of State Congressional group ↑2↓
    6 Senior Senator
    7 Junior Senator
    8 Party that the State/Commonwealth went in the Presidential Election
    ↑1↓ Some States elect Governor and Lt on separate ballots
    ↓2↓ Exception if the group is evenly divided

    So how do we determine if a State is Red or Blue?
     
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    It depends upon the amount of iron in the water.
     
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    I put the heaviest weight on how the state votes in a Presidential election, then the senators. The other factors are relevant but somewhat less determinative, IMO.
     
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    You can't get any more Red than Alabama and no more Blue than New York. I simply look at how they vote in the General Election and then makeup of their congress and Governor.
     
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    North Carolina exemplified your method this past election.
    I thought Oklahoma had the title reddest of the red, since their entire congressional delegation is red.
     
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    You are right. Not only that but they voted 2% more for Trump than Alabama.
     
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    WV had the highest percent go for Trump, if I recall correctly, but still had some blue in their congressional delegation.
     
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    Here in NY - the state went for Clinton - State Assembly is Dem (Rep hold a one vote lead in the Senate)
    Our Congress delegation is10 R's and 17 D's. Bus US Senators are Blue.
     
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    Interesting! I wonder what the most Blue State is? California?
     
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    If not California then Vermont.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
     
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    I would guess Hawaii.

    Off to google, lol. :)
     
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    Ironically, Bernie is still listed as Independent. Might throw off the score.
    :)
     
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    If you broaden "blue" to include those who caucus with Democrats, the score can adjusted appropriately.
     
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    Sounds reasonable, for independents.

    Now actual third party elected officials...:Biggrin
     
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    Yes, a legitimate third party official would be a different bird.
     
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    Not necessary - especially in States/Commonwealths with fusion ballots.

    Here in NY State - normally the a Conservative Party member would caucus with the Republicans
    and a Workers Family Party member wold caucus with the Democrats.
     
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    I meant a true third party official (i.e. one who does not caucus with the GOP or the Democrats but stands apart as a distinct party).

    If you caucus with one of the two major parties, I count you with them.
     
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    But we are a true third party! The reason an independent or a third party will caucus with a major party - is so that you can have more of a say. It would be political suicide not to caucus.
    Also in addition - the Conservative Party helps keep the Republican Party in check
    Here in NY, it is extremely difficult for a Republican to win Statewide election without be on the Conservative Party line.
     
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    That's still co-mingling with a major party. I understand why they caucus with a major party, but when they do that, they can pretty much be counted as Republican or Democrat for the purposes of determining how "red" or "blue" a state is.
     
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    and that is a problem with a minor party - if you try to go alone - you will get nowhere
     
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