What other Doctrines does KJV Only violate

Sorry...I'm not a dog that performs on command. The CONTEXT of Ps 12 is about the human element. If the Lords words are already pure, wholesome words, then why would they have to be "purified" 7x? they wouldn't need to be. The Lord has promised to preserve the pure in heart...the Godly man. This isn't the only portion of Scripture that eludes to this.

 

So you agree it is not a good passage of reference to insist on multi English Bible translations, right?

The problem, according to the Psalmist, is that at what ever time he is referencing, the godly man ceaseth because he says in V 1;

Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

No more godly man. No more faithful men. At some point this must be true if this is a prophesy, and I know it is. Has that already been or is it still to be true of a future time?

The reason I am asking is because my understanding of this Psalm has matured over the years and I do believe that verses 6-8 are in the same context as verses 1-4, and I do not think it is the scriptures being preserved is the context although I do believe in the preserved scriptures.

 

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Okay. I am moving on. Thank all you fellows for the lively debate concerning the KJVonly and what doctrines we violate. I hope now that everyone understands that the answer is "NONE."

 

Your answer or opinion is incorrect.

 

And the other translations don't violate doctrines either...so, don't feel so triumphant. We've been telling you that the KJV and the MV's neither one violate any of the doctrines of the Bible.

 

Had they not been saved, they wouldn'ta received the Holy Spirit.(Not "ghost" ! He is not the disembodied spirit os a man.)

You're getting off the subject of this thread, which is about the KJV myth and doctrines. Baptism is the outward show of one's coming to Jesus and obeying Him, as He commanded baptism after salvation. And He did this BEFORE the cross. While baptism does not save, deliberately putting off baptism without a legitimate excuse is a sin.

 

I do not mean to insult you robycop3, but no one is saved in the OT and you are doctrinally challenged on this fact. God can and did justify sinners in the OT but he could not save them. He counted, imputed, their faith for righteousness in what he revealed to them, but that did not clear them of sin. The wages of sin is death. Jesus said himself that both he and the thief would be in paradise, which is in the center of the earth. Salvation in the scriptures is an "umbrella" word. It can mean different things and often does. To be saved from the penalty of sin, which is the second death in the lake of fire, requires that a man receive the Holy Ghost. This is the Spirit of Christ, God, who indwelt him and gave him the power to live a sinless life in the flesh. The symbol of the life giving Spirit is water and the Spirit and water share the same properties, come from the same place, can cleanse the out side and when ingested gives life. Every living thing must have water to live and in the spiritual one must drink the Spirit in in order to have eternal life. "He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son hath not life," says the scriptures. So the the Spirit of Christ does not just give life, the Spirit of Christ is life. That blood was offered on the mercy seat in heaven before the first person was saved. Jesus Christ then led captivity captive and those who came up were the OT saints with the Spirit of Christ in them. This included the thief who died the same day as Christ on the cross. They now have eternal life. It is a person. It is God. It is the Spirit of Christ and of God.

So, salvation has the trinitarian signature on it like everything that pertains to God.
1) salvation from the penalty of sin - trusting Christ through repentance and faith in his work
2) salvation from the power of sin = sanctification
3) salvation from the presence or the possibility of sin at death or the glorification of the body, at the rapture of the body of Christ.

The trouble with most on these forums is that their teaching is so weak that they cannot define eternal life. This makes them confused about the definition of salvation. The presence of God is eternal life. When Jesus Christ said he would never leave us or forsake us, we now know how the presence of God will always be with us. Give us a glorified body for our soul and the Spirit of God to tabernacle in and we will be just like Jesus Christ, who himself has the Spirit dwelling in his body, and always has except for three days.

If God could have given his Spirit to sinners without the blood applied then Jesus would not have had to die. One must not get this wrong. It is too important. Sin entering into Adam, a trinitarian man, died the day he did an act of sin. The scriptures says that Jesus Christ was the express image of God, which means he was a trinity while here on earth from his conception. He was the Son of God. When we are saved we are in the image of Jesus Christ who is the image of God because we receive God as the eternal resident in our bodies in the person of the Holy Spirit.

This is exciting stuff. He is our teacher and he is the one who has taught me through the words of the KJV. I am glad he did not require I learn Greek or seek out a priest to teach me.

Ponder these things please. I want to help.

 

You in effect seek out an exclusive group of Church of England priests in 1611 so that you blindly trust their imperfect textual criticism and translation decisions.

All the Church of England makers of the KJV with the exception of one held official positions in the state Church of England whether as priests or some higher hierarchical positions. The Scriptures do not teach that the Holy Spirit teaches only through the human textual criticism decisions, Bible revision decisions, and translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England priests/critics in 1611. God the Holy Spirit was just as much involved in the making of the pre-1611 English Bibles and in the making of post-1611 English Bibles such as the NKJV as He was involved in the making of the KJV.

 

Opinions, we've all got em. Why with all this additional light is the world getting darker and not lighter and I suppose you are including paraphrases and these brand new ways of translating the thoughts of God rather than the words, called dynamic equivalence? I suppose you think we, who call ourselves Christians, are heading toward perfect union in doctrine and practice and soon we we will all be in perfect accord, except for those pesky KJV only people. Surely you teach that this Holy Spirit you are speaking about has some sort of plan with all these new Bibles to bring us all together, well, at least the English speaking Christians. This seems to be who this Holy Spirit of yours really cares about if historical evidence is considered and the diversified efforts he has employed to get the word to us in such a huge number of different translations into our language is any indication of how he is favoring us. It just puzzles me why, with all these English volumes to make himself known to us, our brightest people have insisted we are careful to pay close attention to all these bibles he has given us and are insisting one must learn the Greek language if one is to "REALLY" know God.

Something is not adding up and you are a king size ecumenist.

 

Sorry, ...The King James also uses dynamic equivalence in a lot of passages. Get off the high horse. The other translations do nothing to detract from the holiness or sovereignty of God, nor do they take away from the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is not one doctrine that we hold dear, and as our final authority that they detract from. Worshipping a translation is indefensible and dishonest, limiting what the Holy Spirit can and will use. Sad, really....sad.

 

See how quickly my words are verified. Almost immediately. Here you come with your own opinion, the only difference between mine and yours is that mine is a high horse opinion, and, I suppose, this makes yours a low horse opinion. I am worshiping my opinion and you are on higher ground on your low horse. It is going to be etched in my memory now whenever I see your handle, "low horse on higher ground, LHOHG."

I did not say that dynamic equivalence was a new approach to translating the scriptures, the producers of the most popular translation in the world today, or that has ever been, made that claim on their web page. I just read it. Now here you come along and refute their claim. You guys are as confused as a termite in a yo/yo.

Who is this Holy Spirit that favors western Christianity so much that he cannot ever resist showering us with more and more translations? He must not like most of the rest of the world nearly as much as he likes us because he has not given most of them even one translation.

My head spins.

 

You fail to demonstrate that anyone is insisting on what your strawman misrepresentation alleges.

 

Perhaps your head spins because you are advocating a modern, non-scriptural KJV-only theory that is inconsistent and that is dependent upon use of fallacies and use of double standards. Your inconsistent, non-scriptural KJV-only opinions do not add up.

 

Another opinion that is not shared by all.

Christian charity? My latest opinion is that you are not really interested that I come to understand your arguments because you care when I read rhetoric like this. I am really not angry at you for your position and probably there are days when you are not such a bad guy, but it looks like today is not one of them.

 

A moderator will likely call you down for not staying with the topic of this thread, but I'll answer your hooey anyway, lest another reader be deceived.

First, the only thing at the center of the earth is highly-compressed molten iron. Paradise could be anywhere in the spirit world. It's an area of hades, the temporary abode of the souls of the righteous.

Next, the souls of the righteous OT dead are in paradise, as well as those of the NT righteous dead. There's but one paradise. All will be brought to heaven when Jesus returns. They will all be in the same place again.

And if one died righteous before Jesus came, he/she is just-as-saved as are those saved under the New Covenant. Remember, while Jesus was in paradise, He preached to the souls there, introducing Himself to Dave, Abe, Moses, etc.

And God didn't indwell Jesus; Jesus IS God, along with His Father & the Holy Spirit. (NOT "GHOST" !) One Godhead, three Pesonages. I don't understand the nature of this, of course, but I remember, "WITH GOD, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE." The story of Jesus' baptism proves Father, Son, & Holy Spirit are separate Personages.

I suggest you get back on topic, & read a newer, better Bible version, as you evidently don't understand your KJV too well.

 

Huh?

It is worse than I thought.

Just one KJV correction for you and an opportunity to believe the words.

Matt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things)

In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.

Heart, equals center or middle, according to strong's.

I don't get people not believing the words they read. Maybe these new translations have different information than a KJV, and if so, this doctrine is definitely affected.