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What people don't understand about hell...

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Born_in_Crewe, Mar 18, 2009.

  1. Born_in_Crewe

    Born_in_Crewe Member

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    A lot of people, including some Christians, find it difficult to reconcile a loving God with the idea of ''Hell'', whatever Hell actually means (thats another debate). However, what I have gradually realised with the help of God, is that most sins directly or indirectly affect at least one human being, who God also loves. Therefore, for God to be loving he must justly punish this sin on behalf of the victim; and if the person does not repent then God must punish them in Hell for any sins they have committed.

    Obviously the victim in one situation will be a sinner in other situations, so in a sense God must punish us for our sins (if we do not repent and turn to Christ) while at the same time God punishes others for their sins against us (if they have not repented and turned to Christ).

    A second point that I need to make is that those who are anti-faith or anti-God might not want to be in Heaven. This might sound odd but if you were one of these humanist/atheist types who hated anything to do with God on earth and those who believed in him, would you want to spend eternity with God, Jesus and the people you professed to hate during your earthly life? They might not want to be in Hell, but they wouldn't really want to be in heaven either (in a sense they want the blessings of God but they also want to be able to freely sin against Him). That's why they actually like the idea of non-existence, because its preferable to any other possibility.

    Anyway, that's a brief summary of my current view of Hell and why it exists.
     
  2. EdSutton

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    The Road to Hell for Certain!

    Some folks are on the road to Hell!

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    And some are on



    The road to Hell For Certain

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    Ed
     
  3. Trotter

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    I have no problem reconciling a loving God and Hell.

    God loves us, as well as all people. He does not want any to perish, but He loves us enough to respect our choices regarding Him and His offer of salvation. Basically, God does not send anyone to hell... we send ourselves.

    I can praise God for hell. Sound strange? Maybe it is, but He has shown me that He knows what he is doing. I know I have family members in hell, as well as my late sister. I hard a hard time after her death because of this, but God loved me through it. Now I praise Him for His holiness, for it is His holiness that she is measured against and found wanting.
     
  4. Jim1999

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    Whatever figurative language we use to describe hell, it is ultimately separation from God, and that would be hell enough for me.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  5. ray Marshall

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    I have problems with decisions that man makes. Being born ,to some people would be a tragic thing. It would be so bad for someone who had nothing to do with their natural birth to be required to save themselves when GOD does all the saving and we should leave it in his hands. I cannot say that anyone knows where the person goes after they die pertaining to Heaven or Hell. Let me use this sanerio: All good people goe to heaven and all bad people go to Hell.
    I'm good, so I go to Heaven, You're bad (I don't mean you personally) so you go to Hell. You would be in a much better condition if you was not born. Why put someone in this terrible fix. He would be better off to have never been born. Let's leave Almighty GOD in charge of that. He is just and perfect. we are a product of mankind.
     
  6. 4His_glory

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    Yep. Spot on friend.
     
  7. 4His_glory

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    My two centavos worth:

    1. We often think of the love of God according to our experience concerning love, when in reality God's love is nothing like ours.

    2. Some ask the question "if God is loving how can He send men to hell?". But this is the wrong way to ask the question, it is very man-focused. We ought rather to ask: "Since God is so holy, and His justice so right, how is it that He lets me take another breath let alone shower me with His mercy and grace?" We are so despicable that even letting us live is an act of His love and mercy.
     
  8. Born_in_Crewe

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    There's been some interesting posts on here. I should state that I'm not exactly glad about people going to Hell (although I have more sympathy for some than others) but I kind of understand why it exists, as I tried to explain in my original post.

    I do however feel that if someone has never heard the gospel, then there may be a chance for them to escape hell; but this probably applies more to countries where Christianity is almost non-existent than countries which do still have a noticeable Christian presence. I do sort of agree with Ray Marshall that there are some people who have died, who it is hard to say where they ended up, and we won't really know until we die ourselves.
     
  9. 4His_glory

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    We should be nothing but saddened that many will perish for eternity.

    While it would be nice (in our fallen human sense of "fairness") if that where the case, I do not find anywhere in Scripture that states this to be true. If it where true, then why bother sending missionaries into countries with no gospel witness because the people may reject them and then be accountable and go to hell?

    Fact is that the only way God saves people is by His grace through the proclamation of the Gospel producing faith and repentance in those whom He brings to Himself. God has ordained that the Gospel be heralded in all lands because it is the only solution to the problem of sin in the world. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, not men´s ignorance of it.
     
  10. Marcia

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    I agree with 4_His glory's comments.

    A general softening sound doctrine along with not wanting to think people go to hell is why Inclusivism is getting into the evangelical church.

    God is love but he also has wrath on sin. They are both equal in his nature and present all the time, along with all his attributes. When God loves someone, his wrath on sin never disappears; and his wrath on sin does not affect his love. But his justice and wrath on sin require that one who is not cleansed by the blood of Christ cannot abide with Him after death.

    Otherwise, we'd either have people getting a 2nd chance after death to believe (contrary to Heb 9.27), or unregenerated sinners not cleansed by Christ getting in heaven. So would they be there because of good works? That is also contrary to scripture.
     
  11. Jim1999

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    Hell is the penalty of original sin as passed on through Adam to all humanity, and has nothing to do with subsequent committing of sin in our lives.

    In eternity past, God chose a people to be His elect and passed by the remainder to eternal damnation. Again, nothing to do with consequent sin, or God's "sending" some to hell. The term "passed by" is essential regarding the unsaved. Then one must truly understand the nature of God and His absolute sovereignty.

    There is no such thing as the "age of accountability" which develops because we felt sorry for some infants or children who died without a "chance" to accept Christ as Saviour. This leads to a false understanding of who God is and the order of the decrees.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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  12. ray Marshall

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    Jim, I agree with what you have posted
     
  13. ray Marshall

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    And another thing. If a man can (and is) by not be giving the word of GOD and thereforth be saved, then we should burn every bible and ect conserning GOD, then he would be saved through ignorance. Why make it a requirement that if he hears the word and doesn't act upon it, he will split Hell wide open. Why put him in that kind of fix and he would go to hell by not acting upon HIS DECISION.
    As it is stated in the BIBLE that Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated. I can see that Jacob was quiet a trickster. His Mother and Jacob stole Esau's blessing when they fooled Isac and Isiac blessed Jacob through trickery. I find that Esau was not a very bad person, but GOD didn't favor him.Jacob was a deceiver at times. I don't know why, but GOD did the chooling. I read in the nt that Esau sought repentence carefully with tears, and was not. It would seem that if Esau sought repentance, that GOD would have forgiven him. I see that as Man would see it, but GOD is the judge and I will leave it at that.
     
  14. rjprince

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    Hell is a consequence of not receiving the Lord Jesus Christ. While I do stand on what have been called "the doctrines of grace" it is incorrect to suggest that God will not address the real personal guilt of each individual. Scripture is clear that God will judge unbelievers according to their works, not according to Adam's sin passed to his posterity.


    The wicked dead are clearly judged "according to their works" and since no one will be justified on the basis of their works, this must be a judgment of the works for the purpose of condemnation and then consignment to the lake of fire, the eternal abode of all unbelievers.


    Recognizing the absolute sovereignty of God in no way denies personal responsibility.


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    The fact that the cross was according to "the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God" does minimize the guilt of the ones with "wicked hands" who crucified and slew the Lord Jesus in a fully responsible and culpable manner.


    and no, I will not drink to your post. Is there any other context in which "cheers" is used?

    RJP
     
  15. Born_in_Crewe

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    I don't quite understand that Jim. Are you saying that God makes the decision in advance as to whether someone will be saved? I believe that (assuming we have heard the Gospel) we have free will whether we choose to accept or deny Jesus.

    God seems to work in some people's lives more than others, but I don't feel that he decides who will be saved in advance. He might know, but that isn't the same as making the decision.
     
  16. Jim1999

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    "cheers" in my context has nothing to do with drinking. It is the most common form of greeting used in England, and I just carry on with my English tradition. I abhor alcohol as a beverage.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  17. ray Marshall

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    Works are good indeed Grace is more abounding. Adam and Eve, when they seen their own nakedness, they did some works too. They sewed fig leaves and clothed their bodies, but GOD did something for them knowing that the fig leafs were not sufficant. He sacraficed animan/s and made them clothing from an aminal (sacrafice) in order to cloth them his own way. Man tried to sew leaves, which would dry and rot and that was not proper because man tried his own work and it didn't work. Now let's try Grace: that'll work.
     
  18. 4His_glory

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    And sadly man is still trying to sew leaves together. And in his mind they work just fine, but how he does not see his faulty garment as God sees it. Once again proving the need for grace.

    Good post.
     
  19. Revmitchell

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    Jim I preach on this quite often. While I do not deny a literal hell fire the ultimate point is that we will be separated from God without any of His glory. What that actually looks like is beyond me but the possibility of that reality is quite frightening. And then left to our own sin and depravity. Lord Save me
     
  20. charles_creech78

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    Well I know one thing I don't want to be in hell no matter what is looks like. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. :praying:
     
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