What to do in an Obama World

I did not know that Jesus used political parties as a qualifier. I would have to guess if He did, He would lean towards the conservative but then He had to have a Judas to so I guess liberals were included.

 

If you were to study who Jesus chose as His disciples they came from all kinds of backgrounds. Even backgrounds that opposed each other.

 

wow...well I guess Jesus would have voted Republican...

or maybe not...

 

Yeah thats what I said

 

Was Matthew a re-publican?

 

There's no way you can call Jesus a conservative. He stood against the establishment in every way. The scribes and pharisees were the conservatives and they were jesus' worst enemies.

 

The scribes and Pharisees were liberals. They changed what God had established. Liberal as they could be.

 

What a wonderful twist some have to justify their position. Of course Jesus was neither conservative or liberal, he was "right," period.

 

:thumbs: Jesus was beyond "liberal" or "conservative," which are standards applied to man's affairs and views, and shift through cultures and time.

 

Actually the Sadducees were viewed as very conservative at the time. They only recognized the Torah as scripture.

 

Not so. They represented the religious establishment.

 

A religious establishment can be liberal.

 

Most are liberal if they have been established very long because they lose sight of what they were called to do and go into preservation mode and focus on conserving their money and resources instead of giving themselves away.

 

I don't think so, they wore their religion as a merit badge and claimed to live by every letter of the law. This is why they constantly challenged Jesus with the law.

However, I can say they were the conservatives either since I don't think they live according to the law. They know about grace. If anything, Jesus would be the one with the liberal interpretation of scripture. Jesus continually said, "Yes, that is what the law says BUT etc..." If your animal feel in a whole or do you mean these men should starve to death...

Then again, Christianity isn't Judaism so I really don't call Jesus a liberal.

 

The Torah... edit...

Whoops... I was thinking of the Talmud...

 

I think we shouldn't forget that Jesus picked grain on the Sabbath and that would have been viewed as liberal. We see many of the same things among Christian groups.

 

Whatever. Can we agree that they were Jesus' worst enemies and that their primary objective was to preserve their own power (the status quo)? Sounds conservative to me.

 

They were not the authority. God is. They changed His law. The pharisees were as liberal as they could be. And just as vicious as one.

 

:thumbs: Awesome post! Thanks.

 

They were opposed to Jesus - though not all of them. The main reason Jesus denounced them was because they were not serving God except outwardly and they imposed man-made rules.

I can't agree that preserving power is a conservative only action.

I think the labels we use today liberal and conservative cannot really be applied to Jesus' day. These labels are a modern concept. I am not even sure they would mean anything in Jesus' day.