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When In Acts Did Isreal Switch To meaning The Church Now?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. JesusFan

    JesusFan New Member

    Jan 4, 2011
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    In Acts, Apostle peter was addressing "men of Isreal" as referring to them needing to accept jesus as the jewish messiah?

    When did the term for national Jews switch to meaning "spiritual" isreal, the Church in Acts?
  2. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

    Sep 25, 2006
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    This is called Replacement Theology and is incorrect. The church did not replace Israel, but was grafted in.
  3. humblethinker

    humblethinker New Member

    Apr 7, 2011
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    I agree Amy.G
  4. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
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    Mar 25, 2010
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    Probably around here in acts 13;
    This comes from Isa49......connect the dots
    not replacement theology....expansion theology...isa54..lengthen the cords strengthen the stakes.....
  5. beameup

    beameup Member

    May 20, 2011
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    I haven't finished Acts yet, but as of Acts 21:21 Paul is still dealing with Judiasm and Christianity which has not been fully resolved yet:

    And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they
    ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

    At what point did Paul's Gospel of Grace to the Gentiles (where there is no distinction between Jew & Gentile) "solidify"?
    I'm still searching, but certainly after 70AD there was no longer any possibility of (genetic) Israel ushering in the Millennium Kingdom AT THAT TIME.
    For (genetic) Israel to usher in the Millennial Kingdom another Temple must first be built...

    PS: OK, I found it. Paul is a Roman prisoner and on his way to Rome, he preaches one last time to the Jews in Acts 28:28:
    Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
    #5 beameup, Dec 2, 2011
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  6. convicted1

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    Jan 31, 2007
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    2 Cor. 3:7-18
    7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

    8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

    9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

    10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

    11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

    12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

    13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

    14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

    15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

    16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

    17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

    18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

    The Law was given to Israel(12 tribes of Israel, not ethnic Israel) on "tables of stones", whereas Grace is written in our hearts. Jesus told the lawyer that tempted Him that to "Love thy Lord with all the heart, soul, mind,, and strentgh, and the second law was to love thy neighbor as thyself. One these two, hang ALL THE LAW and Prophets." Jesus is the True Israel, the True Vine, if you will, and we who are saved, are grafted into That Vine, and not the ethnic Jews. We are grafted into the body of Christ, with Jesus the Head of the body.
  7. convicted1

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    Gal. 3:11-29
    11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

    12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

    16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

    18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

    19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

    21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

    22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

    23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    The Israelites lived by the Law(that's all they had at that time), until Jesus' finished works at the cross. He abolished the Law, and gave us a better covenant which was set upon better promises(Heb. 8:6). The Jews are now grafted into the body of Christ(NT Church) the same way we(Gentiles) are; (by Grace through faith).
  8. convicted1

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    Jan 31, 2007
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    On the day of pentecost?
  9. convicted1

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    Hebrews 8:7-13
    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

    8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

    12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    13I n that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    Ephesians 2:14-22
    14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

    15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

    16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

    17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

    18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

    19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

    22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    Look here at how many times Apostle Paul uses the words "both", "one new man", "builded together", etc. Jesus, since He was set down on the right hand of the Father, He is reigning over us now. There is now no more Jew nor Greek(Gentile), male nor female, but one body, He being the Head of that Body. We aren't grafted into Israel(Jews), but the Jews are grafted into Jesus, the True Vine, the True Israel.

    Galatians 4:4-7
    4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    5 To redeem them that were under the law
    , that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

    Again, you see here where Jesus redeemed us from the Law. Israel only had the Law to live by until Jesus' finished works of the cross. We now live under Grace, and if any ethic Israelite is saved, they will have to be placed in the Grace Covenant by the Lord Jesus.

    I am sorry about the many posts, but these are my convictions, and what I hold as be true. Please study after me and see if I am right or not. The promises of Abraham are now belonging to the Church, the bride of the Lamb, New Jerusalem, etc.