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When It Comes to Chaos, Trump Has Nothing on Previous Presidents

Revmitchell

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Jimmy Carter: From day 1, Carter and his bungling crew in the West Wing displayed disdain for Congress, and the result was disaster. According to the Jimmy Carter Home Page of the Miller Center on the American President, “A pattern of mutual distrust and contempt had been set [and when] Congress transformed [Carter’s] tax plan into new favors for special interests, Carter called the taxing committees ‘a pack of ravenous wolves.’” Says Princeton University historian Fred Greenstein: “The impression was [Carter] didn’t know which end was up.”

Ronald Reagan: Seventy days into his presidency, Ronald Reagan was shot by John Hinckley while Vice President George H. W. Bush was in a plane somewhere over Texas. In the chaotic aftermath of the assassination attempt, Secretary of State Al Haig famously declared, “I’m in charge here!” He wasn’t. No one was in charge of the nuclear football. A little over a year later, both Haig and National Security Adviser Richard Allen were fired. Haig compared Reagan’s White House to a “ghost ship” with a crew of rivals fighting for control of the helm.



Bill Clinton: “Mr. Clinton’s first months were chaotic,” writes Peter Grier of the Christian Science Monitor. “His first two nominees for attorney general, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, both eventually withdrew due to revelations that they had employed undocumented immigrants as nannies. He became embroiled in controversy over his attempt to allow gays to serve in the military… His secretary of defense, Les Aspin, proved to be too disorganized and not decisive enough to run the enormous business of the Pentagon [and] lasted a year in the job.” And then, of course, there was the first lady’s disastrous HillaryCare, which cost Clinton control of the House of Representatives—the worst election loss for a president in 100 years.

Barack Obama: Obama was forced to withdraw his choice for commerce secretary (former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson), his backup choice for commerce secretary (former Senator Judd Gregg), his pick for Health and Human Services (former South Dakota Senator Tom Daschle), and his nominee to be chairman of the National Intelligence Council (Charles Freeman). As WorldNet Daily reported, this chaos was “compounded by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s admission of ‘tax goofs’ involving his failure to pay $43,000 in federal self-employment taxes for four separate years (until, that is, he was tapped for his Obama post). At least five other Treasury staff picks withdrew before the Obama administration had reached the 100-day mark.” And then, of course, there was ObamaCare, which resulted in the “shellacking” that Obama suffered in the 2010 midterm election, in which the Democrats lost a half dozen Senate seats and 60 House seats.

https://townhall.com/columnists/edk...p-has-nothing-on-previous-presidents-n2288779
 

InTheLight

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Haig wasn't fired, he resigned. After having threatened to resign a couple of times and talking him out of it, Reagan finally accepted his resignation. This was in June 1982.

Richard Allen wasn't fired either. He might have been forced to resign but that was in January 1982, which is ten months after, not "a little over a year from the assassination attempt".

These errors make me question the accuracy of the entire article. Also, if the writer is going to go 15 months into Reagan's presidency looking for chaos, it's a bit premature making comparisons after only one month in Trump's term.

It's all ridiculous anyway because Trump's first month has been more chaotic than the other administrations listed.

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Lewis

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It's all ridiculous anyway because Trump's first month has been more chaotic than the other administrations listed.
"What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there's the momentum to be able to do this," - The Democrat chaos plan
 

FollowTheWay

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Jimmy Carter: From day 1, Carter and his bungling crew in the West Wing displayed disdain for Congress, and the result was disaster. According to the Jimmy Carter Home Page of the Miller Center on the American President, “A pattern of mutual distrust and contempt had been set [and when] Congress transformed [Carter’s] tax plan into new favors for special interests, Carter called the taxing committees ‘a pack of ravenous wolves.’” Says Princeton University historian Fred Greenstein: “The impression was [Carter] didn’t know which end was up.”

Ronald Reagan: Seventy days into his presidency, Ronald Reagan was shot by John Hinckley while Vice President George H. W. Bush was in a plane somewhere over Texas. In the chaotic aftermath of the assassination attempt, Secretary of State Al Haig famously declared, “I’m in charge here!” He wasn’t. No one was in charge of the nuclear football. A little over a year later, both Haig and National Security Adviser Richard Allen were fired. Haig compared Reagan’s White House to a “ghost ship” with a crew of rivals fighting for control of the helm.



Bill Clinton: “Mr. Clinton’s first months were chaotic,” writes Peter Grier of the Christian Science Monitor. “His first two nominees for attorney general, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, both eventually withdrew due to revelations that they had employed undocumented immigrants as nannies. He became embroiled in controversy over his attempt to allow gays to serve in the military… His secretary of defense, Les Aspin, proved to be too disorganized and not decisive enough to run the enormous business of the Pentagon [and] lasted a year in the job.” And then, of course, there was the first lady’s disastrous HillaryCare, which cost Clinton control of the House of Representatives—the worst election loss for a president in 100 years.

Barack Obama: Obama was forced to withdraw his choice for commerce secretary (former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson), his backup choice for commerce secretary (former Senator Judd Gregg), his pick for Health and Human Services (former South Dakota Senator Tom Daschle), and his nominee to be chairman of the National Intelligence Council (Charles Freeman). As WorldNet Daily reported, this chaos was “compounded by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s admission of ‘tax goofs’ involving his failure to pay $43,000 in federal self-employment taxes for four separate years (until, that is, he was tapped for his Obama post). At least five other Treasury staff picks withdrew before the Obama administration had reached the 100-day mark.” And then, of course, there was ObamaCare, which resulted in the “shellacking” that Obama suffered in the 2010 midterm election, in which the Democrats lost a half dozen Senate seats and 60 House seats.

https://townhall.com/columnists/edk...p-has-nothing-on-previous-presidents-n2288779
Jimmy Carter was and is a Godly man. Unfortunately he encountered an economic catastrophe with the Iran oil embargo and the Iran hostage situation. To his credit, he established the Synthetic Fuel Corp. to investigate alternatives for oil. My brother worked for them as a Financial Analyst. If they had been allowed to carry out their mission we could have alternatives to Mideast oil a long time ago. Unfortunate, Reagan in his "infinite wisdom" killed this effort and subjected us to decades of reliance on OPEC. Carter was a smart man, former Navel Officer and Nuclear Engineer, but somehow never got the support of "Christian" Republicans.
 

Calminian

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Jimmy Carter was and is a Godly man. Unfortunately he encountered an economic catastrophe with the Iran oil embargo and the Iran hostage situation. To his credit, he established the Synthetic Fuel Corp. to investigate alternatives for oil. My brother worked for them as a Financial Analyst. If they had been allowed to carry out their mission we could have alternatives to Mideast oil a long time ago. Unfortunate, Reagan in his "infinite wisdom" killed this effort and subjected us to decades of reliance on OPEC. Carter was a smart man, former Navel Officer and Nuclear Engineer, but somehow never got the support of "Christian" Republicans.

So then you are pro choice right?
 

FollowTheWay

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So then you are pro choice right?
I don't believe in large scale abortions but would make an exception in the case of rape/incest or if the mother's life is in danger. I actually think the larger issue is "The Sanctity of Life." This includes killing innocent civilians in war or also combatants in wars of aggression which are not morally justified. In this category I include Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm against capital punishment. In short, I don't just focus on the unborn but also on the sanctity of lives of people who have been born.Crusades against providing health care for the needy also result in deaths. Look at MAT chap. 25. What do you believe?
 
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FollowTheWay

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WWJD? Jimmy Carter says support 'gay marriage,' abortion

It's a no brainer, Carter has endorsed pro gay marriage and pro abortion candidates for decades.
Yet you say he's godly.

And BTW, Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg were both nominated to lower courts by Carter and now sit on the Supreme Court. Godly?
The Republicans were responsible for making abortion legal in America. The Roe vs. Wade court was composed of 6 Republicans and 3 Democrats. The vote in favor was 7-2 with one Republican and one Democrat against the decision. So please own up to the fact that abortion is legal in America because of the Republicans not the Democrats. FACT. The decision was made in 1973. In the 46 years since Republicans have SAID a lot about reversing their decision but have never really done anything about it. Why? I don't think it's politically in their interest to do so. As long as the Republican introduced legality of abortion remains they lock down the votes of right wing evangelicals. Do you really think nothing could have been done about this in almost 50 years? Certainly it could have been reversed if that were a priority of the GOP.
 

InTheLight

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FACT. The decision was made in 1973. In the 46 years since Republicans have SAID a lot about reversing their decision but have never really done anything about it. Why? I don't think it's politically in their interest to do so. As long as the Republican introduced legality of abortion remains they lock down the votes of right wing evangelicals. Do you really think nothing could have been done about this in almost 50 years? Certainly it could have been reversed if that were a priority of the GOP.

Not much can be done on a national level as it's up to the SCOTUS. However, GOP lawmakers in many states have passed laws restricting abortions. This has been pointed out to you umpteen times, yet you continue with this fallacy that the GOP had done nothing about abortion.



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