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When It Comes to Executive Orders, Obama is a Lightweight!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by righteousdude2, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. righteousdude2

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    Thanks for your honesty in posting this.
     
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    Well.

    ...I may not like him, but, I also believe in checking things out [as often as I can] before I jump to a conclusion that I can't recover from :laugh: Once you commit to the conclusion jump, it's a long way down,without a parachute :wavey:
     
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    Key word is consistency
     
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    Thanks for posting that. Very interesting. The one that jumped out at me was Calvin Coolidge with over 1,200 executive orders. Silent Cal. The conservative's poster boy of the first half of the 20th century. Many of his EO's were what conservatives would call "land grabs".

    3976 Mar 22 Withdrawing Lands in Isle Royale, Michigan, to Determine Advisability for Inclusion in National Monument

    3983 Apr 1 Withdrawing Lands in Alaska to Determine Advisability for Inclusion in National Monument

    3984 Apr 2 Withdrawing Lands in New Mexico to Determine Advisability for Inclusion in National Park or Monument

    4181 Mar 24 Lands in Utah Withdrawn for Classification and Pending Legislation for Inclusion in Zion National Parka

    There are many more listed here
    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Calvin_Coolidge/Executive_orders

    Remember the crying on the right when Clinton designated federal land in Utah for a national monument? Although Clinton was following a law from Theodore Roosevelt's administration (BTW check out how many EO's Teddy used) conservatives cried foul, mainly because there were known coal reserves on the Utah land. Tin foil hatters called it a "huge, huge step toward the New World Order" and "the greatest single look at the tremendous threat to our individual liberties."

    I guess when conservatives use EO's it's fine, but when liberals do so it's trampling on our constitutional rights and the ushering in of Communism, or something as evil.
     
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    And Chavez thanks you too.
     
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    It isn't # of executive orders that is the issue. It is the nature and scope. An executive order, of which is nothing said in the Constitution, is simply the power of the President to faithfully enforce existing law, not to make new ones.

    R.D. stop reading Huffington and AARP propaganda.
     
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    The number is irrelevant. It is the content that matters!
     
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    If I beat my kids once or I beat them 100 times it is still abuse.

    Keep in mind a beating is far different than discipline.
     
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    the numbers don't matter. It's how they're used that counts.

    Obama is using his to enact programs he can't get through Congress and ,in some cases, simply to illegally rewrite the law.
     
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    I also do not trust Executive Orders. I did not like it when President Bush used one to establish Homeland Security either.

    But this is not new. FDR basically ruled by executive order during the depression until he got a strongly Democratic Congress.
     
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    Of course it's not new.

    FDR was a wannabe dictator, just like Obama. They are all the same and the law means nothing. It's all about inflicting their will on the American people without their consent.
     
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    The Imperial Presidency has been a threat since President Jackson. What is unique today is that Congress only has a 15% approval rating so are totally discredited and therefore virtually incapable of stopping the spread of the president's power. Until Congress gets some credibility the executive branch will continue to grab power.
     
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    How soon we for get, he did and till he got the SC to his liking. We are still paying for FDR's decisions. We are still trying to spend our way out of debt, it didn't work for him and it won't work today. WWII got us out of the depression.
     
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    Fortunately he didn't get everything he wanted for the Supreme Court. He tried to expand it to 12 so he could get even more appointments.
     
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    I've always heard two wrongs doesn't make one right and I've also heard the argument it's okay because "so and so did it first and/or more often".

    Upon hearing the later argument my question has always been . . .

    If two wrongs doesn't make one right how can ten thousand wrongs make one right?
     
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    I don't think anyone would say it it 'okay' because others did it first/more often. The point is that President Obama is following a long running precedent which seems to be only increasing in intensity.

    US laws are based on precedent, and with precedent being set the actions of this president are hardly surprising.
     
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    I hear ya. I'm just saying I've heard the "so and so did it first" argument before. Usually to justify an action taken by one's favored politician.

    It goes like this, "your guy wants to increase government, oh yeah well your guy did it first". Meaning my guy is justified because your guy did it first. Always thought it was a foolish argument.
     
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    Rd2....

    ...no like Huffpost and aarp. Sorry, I march to my own beat, and the drummer is the Holy Ghost! :wavey:
     
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