When will tongues cease?

Revolt:

This is a tried and true arguement for the continuation of tongues today, however, most of our Baptist brothers and sisters will deny that Paul was speaking of an event yet to be seen.

I stated strictly by the grammer alone that the event was future and that "that which is perfect" is either Jesus or our perfection in heaven. Using either interpretation of Jesus or heavenly perfection neither of these have occured but cessationists will claim they have and that nothing in I Corinthians is acceptable to prove tongues continue.

They will use it to show that tongues have ceased but when we draw them to the phrase "when that which is perfect is come" they seek another reference to prove their point.

 

What will be the need for "faith & hope" when Jesus comes?

 

Revolt the reason I quickly spoke as I did is because under another thread in this board "tongue talker's please respond" we have already been around and around the "cessationist doctrine."

If you check that thread you will see it already has 11 or so pages of replies.

 

I posted this in the other thread, and I'll repost it here for the convenience of those who haven't waded through all those pages:

Please note that the two following verses don't mention tongues at all:

There is no mention of tongues there because, as discussed above, Paul knew that the true Gift of Tongues was going to be ancient history at the time that knowledge and prophecy were finally ended.
As usual, the man knew what he was talking about.

 

Let's just say Paul had a good instructor.

 

Revolt, Tongues were a sign of the the Jews being scattered. This happened in 70Ad and tongues were no longer given out after that. Those who already had the gift would have had it until they died so we can assume tongues faded out (passed away on their own) between 70 an 100AD. I wonder myself if they were used after 70AD since what they were pointing to had happened. Those with the gift may have chosen not to use it at all after 70AD but not being there we can't know for sure. I know for those who speak in tongues this is hard to accept but it is what the Bible teaches. If you are speaking in tongues today, you are probably not trying to be self edifying but you are and that goes against 1 Cor 12:7. Well meaning or not if a person is using Tongues today they are not exercising a gift of the Holy Spirit.

In Love and Truth,
Brian

 

qb][/QUOTE]ok give me bible to back this up[/QB][/QUOTE]

Revolt,
Here is the scripture that would explain that..
Revelation 22:22


Naomi

 

Brian someone who has the gift of tongues cannot speak in tongues whenever they want to. The Spirit has to give the utterence. Read Acts Bro.

 

Brian, I had a feeling we would get to this point. Spiritual gifts were, are, and always will be up to us to use when we want. Many people are confused about this. All the gifts are given by the same Holy Spirit and so would be implemented the same right? I think you would agree that makes sense and there is no scripture to say that some gifts we choose to use and some we have to wait for a Holy Spirit power up. So, with that in mind look at the variety of gifts and see that almost all without thought you could say are up to us to use when we want. Preaching, teaching, Helps, goverments (administrative ability) are all used by the person when they want. ( I've never seen a pastor stand up and say they wanted to preach today but the Holy Spirit didn't power their gift today - in fact most pastors won't stop speaking ). No reason to think other gifts are any different. That is why I know that the gift of healing is gone because if someone had it they would be clearing hospitals from the east coast to the west coast. Hope this makes sense as I am out of time to explain further.

take care Brian,
In Christian Love,
Brian

[ June 19, 2002, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: The Briguy ]

 

Revolt, verses On Tongues passing:

1 Cor:

13:8: Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

1 Cor:

14:20: Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
14:21: In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
14:22: Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Isaiah 28: (as referenced by Paul above – read whole 28th chapter if possible)

28:10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
28:12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
28:13: But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Hope this helps some.

In Christ,
Brian