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Where Is The Revival?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Joshua Goodling, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. Joshua Goodling

    Joshua Goodling New Member

    Oct 30, 2007
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    A revival is when God's people meet God's conditions for God's blessing. Charles Finney once said; "A

    revival is nothing else than a believer's new beginning of obedience to God." The Word of God tells us;

    "If my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn

    from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin, and will heal their

    land." (II Chronicles 7:14)

    Many people today have lost the meaning of real revival. We drive past many a church that has posted a

    large sign out front reading; "Come Join Us For Our Annual Revival!". But the sad truth is, most of these

    churches have no idea what a true revival is. Pastors tell us to go out and bring in all the unsaved

    people so we can have a revival, but how can anyone who has never been saved be revived? A revival can

    only be experienced by Christians. Sure, people will be saved as a result of a real revival, but that is

    not the revival.

    Years ago God gave a great revival to the Welsh people who got right with God and with one another.

    People coming into the town where the revival was happening would inquire of a policeman, "Where is the

    revival?" The policemen would point to their hearts and reply; "Ah, the revival is here!" That is exactly

    where a revival must start -- in the heart. Not until God's children sincerely pray, "Create in me a

    clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me," will se have that TRUE experience of a REAL


    What America needs today is REAL REVIVAL! A time where Christians see the need in their own hearts and

    lives and decide to do something about it. So, why are we not seeing a revival today? What is hindering

    revival in America?

    Unconfessed sin in Christian's lives is hindering revival. Psalm 66:18 says; "If I regard iniquity in my

    heart, the Lord will not hear me." The Bible also says that our iniquities have separated us from God.

    Too many Christians today are content to live in sin and not be the least bit concerned about it. Many

    Christians today have become so cold and backslidden, that what the Bible clearly calls sin, the do not

    consider to be sin. The world has steadily gotten worse, and Christians have been satisfied to follow

    right along behind it.

    In order to experience a revival today, most Christians would have to make some drastic changes in the

    way they live. Many would have to stop going to places they frequently go to. Many would have to get rid

    of some close friends. Many would have to stop watching some of their favorite television shows and

    movies. They would have to quit listening to that so-called "Christian" music. The sad part is, the

    majority of Christians today are not willing to do that. However, until they do…America will NEVER see


    The Bible clearly commands us to "…come out from among them and be ye separate…" But we are content to

    live in sin and let the world slide past us into hell. The way many Christians live today, it is

    impossible to distinguish them from the world.

    This leads to a second hindrance to revival. That hindrance is the attitude of selfishness. We live in an

    I…Me…Mine society. Everyone, including most Christians, is looking out for good old number one, SELF! "Ye

    ask and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." (James 4:3) The

    "…Lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life…" are destroying more Christians today

    than anything else. Instead of being concerned about others, we only care about ourselves. We spend all

    our time worrying about where our next meal is coming from, when our next promotion will be, where we

    stand in the financial community, etc., instead of surrendering all that to God. God has promised to meet

    our EVERY need if we only allow Him to and trust Him completely. So, instead of worrying about self, be

    concerned about others, and pray about a nation crippling with the disease of sin, and about to fall

    flat. Pray about lives doomed to spend eternity without Christ. Get your own life right and be a

    testimony of what a Christian is supposed to be.

    Then, a third hindrance to revival, and perhaps the biggest, is pride. Pride in the human heart leads

    only to total destruction. The main reason we don’t have a revival in America is because the majority of

    Christians who need to get right with God and need to make drastic changes in their lives are too proud

    to admit it. Remember, pride is what destroyed Lucifer and sent him on the road to destruction and hell.

    We hear on the news almost daily now about someone going on a rampage and shooting and killing people,

    and we think; "How could anyone do that?" But, there is nothing worse than a man who destroys his family,

    destroys his church, and dooms his community to hell because he is too proud to admit he needs to get

    right with God. America will die and burn in hell because of Christians who are too proud to be totally

    surrendered to God, to proud to give up their sins, and to proud to pay the "price" for REVIVAL! If we

    are ever going to experience real revival, we need to swallow our pride before it swallows us!

    Dr. Vance Havner has aptly described the present generation of Christians this way; "We are a generation

    of proud fussy little Christians -- experts but not examples. We know too much, or we think we do. We

    have heard all the preachers and read all the books. It is hard these days to be converted and become

    like little children. We want to be thought philosophers and scholars -- brilliant but not childlike. So

    we miss the secrets God has hidden from the wise and revealed unto babes. How often, even among the

    saints, does some simple soul learn the deeper things of God and press through to heaven's best while

    'the wise and the prudent' utterly miss them."

    A fourth hindrance to revival is that of unresolved conflicts between Christians. In Matthew 5:23 and 24,

    Jesus Christ stresses the importance of being right with our fellow believers. One of the big problems in

    Christian circles today are the divisions and fighting amongst them. We need to be fighting Satan and

    Sin! Not be fighting people. Our battle is against the demons and the workers of iniquity, not against

    other Christians. The Bible says; "Let not the sun go down upon your wrath." Yet Christians have allowed

    many a sun to go down, and they are still fighting and feuding with other Christians. More churches have

    been split, and more lives have been ruined because Christians got mad at each other than by anything

    else. Now, if another Christian acts in ways contrary to the Word of God, we SHOULD separate with them

    and not fellowship with them until they get right, but we are not to be fighting with them and allow our

    flesh to become a stumbling block between them and us. The Bible clearly explains how to resolve

    conflicts with fellow believers, and the reason there are so many problems in churches and among

    Christians today is plainly unresolved conflicts. We as Christians can never be right with God until we

    are also right with our brothers and sisters in Christ. We expect God to forgive us of our sins and wrong

    doings, but we absolutely refuse to forgive others. He who cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over

    which he himself must one day pass. If we cannot forgive and forget, we will not be forgiven by God. "And

    when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father which is in heaven may

    forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven

    forgive your trespasses." (Mark 11:25, 26) In order for America to have a REAL REVIVAL, there is going to

    have to be a lot of forgiving and forgetting.

    Another sad hindrance to revival is the lack of compassion most Christians today are plagued with. To be

    brutally honest, many Christians today don't care if America dies, or at least they don't act like they

    care. This is why the average Christian has never won a single soul to Jesus Christ. When pastors

    announce the weekly soul-winning and visitation program, only 2% of the church membership even bothers to

    show up. When the person who works next to you tells you someone in their family has died or is sick, you

    say; "Sorry to hear that!" instead of taking the time to share with them how they might be prepared to

    spend eternity in heaven. Not only do Christians not have compassion for the lost, they also do not have

    compassion for fellow Christians who need a revival in their lives as well. If we do not care that

    Christians need a revival, how can we ever have a revival in our own lives? We cannot help to heal the

    wounds that we cannot feel! How can we ever help if we don't even notice that others are hurting? It is

    not a chore for us the love the whole world, the only "chore" is for us to love our neighbor. We boast

    and say we are concerned about the lost, but we never get concerned about those we work with, those we

    live near, and those we come in contact with each and every day. Jesus commanded us to start first at

    Jerusalem (our home town), then to go to the rest of the world. How can we ever have a REAL REVIVAL if we

    don't care?

    These hindrances are what is keeping America from having a genuine revival. Unless we get to work in our

    individual lives and remove the hindrances, America will not see a revival.
  2. dan e.

    dan e. New Member

    Sep 26, 2006
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    holy cow that was long.

    Maybe "revival" has simply turned into another tradition of the church that you just "do" because you're suppose to...because we've always done it! Maybe this has caused a lost focus on actually changing people's lives...or, as you put it, reviving them.
  3. skypair

    skypair New Member

    Jun 25, 2006
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    Everything you said is so true! And, before I forget, WELCOME to BB! :godisgood:

    Yes, revival has become a Baptist "tradition." But we have not "inculcated" all those PERSONAL applications that you mention. I miss that so!

    But you know what is problematic? Many church leaders have lowered their expectations of the congregants/church. They try to "whip" them into a frenzy rather than "carrot" them into a frenzy (same often with tithing). It's like my wife reminding me that I haven't taken out the trash! "Do I have to remind you every week?!"

    The revivals I remember had special evangelist speakers. People (members and non-members) got excited to hear, not the pastor, but the man everyone recognized as an authority (a modern-day "Paul" say) -- maybe several of them. Remember, this was to bring in those who were "curiosity" Christians.

    Now the local congregation had something to "advertise" and to pray for and to get their lives right for. I know -- sounds "contrived," doesn't it? That's the time we live in, friend. I think the "impetus" is that the church is going "all out" to make our prayers and our efforts come to fruition. Sadly, we are running out of Jerry Falwells, Lester Rollofs, Adrian Rogers, etc. who really "rally" believers and unbelievers around Christ.

    But ask yourself, do you want to catch fish or do you want to just "show up at the boat" and "fish all night without a bite" like P,J,J did in John 22?

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  4. Aaron

    Aaron Member
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    Where's the revival? Don't look at me, I didn't take it!
  5. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler New Member

    Dec 20, 2005
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    In Southern Baptist culture, we have come to the idea that in order to have revival, we have to meet certain conditions before God will act.

    For instance:
    Why do we persist in believing that revival is something we work up by what we do? Revival does not come from below, it is poured out on us from above by God himself. If I remember right, the Welsh revival was poured out.

    The Great Awakenings in America did not begin and spread due to Christians changing the way they lived. The were sovereignly poured out on people who weren't even looking for revival or praying for it, or even agonizng over sing. The revival spirit spread from church to church, across denominational lines.

    Then, you ask, should we not pray for revival? Oh by all means, we should. Just remember that we used to call the Holy Ghost revivals. But the Holy Ghost acts sovereignly. He doesn't need gimmicks.
  6. AAA

    AAA New Member

    Jan 29, 2007
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    Great post...........

    Did you write this?

    If so, may I please send it to my friends in an e-mail?
  7. Joshua Goodling

    Joshua Goodling New Member

    Oct 30, 2007
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    AAA - Yes, I wrote this post. Feel free to send it to whoever you wish!

    - Joshua

    Tom - The Bible plainly states:

    "For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: "I dwell in the high and holy place, With him who has a contrite and humble spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

    Isaiah 57:15

    and in 2Ch 7:14

    "if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land."

    Both of those passages clearly say that the key to revival is to humble ourselves and repent of our sins.
  8. Allan

    Allan Active Member

    Jul 26, 2006
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    To the above, I give a harty Amen and Amen!

    However, (not to speak for Tom here) I believe what Tom was saying is that it is the Lord who must deal with us first in order to even know we need to get right, remove things, earnestly pray, et all.

    Who among us can say we came to God first and declared our failings and He lifted us up. No, He first comes to us with stretched arm that we might know the depths of our sin that we might sorrow and repent and from thence comes our revival
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  9. rbell

    rbell Active Member

    Jan 16, 2006
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    For me, revival has always started when I was disciplined enough to spend time with God daily. When that is happening, I see God moving in my life, and it is though my life and ministry are "anointed."

    When I'm not making that time to talk to (and listen to) God, I can fool people...but the power is not there.
  10. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler New Member

    Dec 20, 2005
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    Thanks Allan, we agree that whatever we do in pleading for revival, it is in response to God's dealing first.
  11. convicted1

    convicted1 Guest

    Jan 31, 2007
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    First of all, welcome to BB Joshua. I hope you stay with us and particiapte in the discussions of the GOOD BOOK!!

    Now, I hope I did not take your post wrong(I didn't read all of it, too lenghty), but if you are talking about revivals in regards to how some of the baptists churches around here do it...I say no thanks!! I have been to MANY revivals, most before I was saved, and I just didn't like all the "begging" and "pleading" that went on after the preaching was done. I have seen them do everything but go back and drag them to the alter....I am surprised that they didn't do that, too. It takes God to convict man, not man....I hope I am not hijaking this thread.

    To me, to have revival, one must have had life before one could be revived. I work in a hospital, so I know what revival means in the "carnal" sense. Now, the spirtual "revival" comes when we are "down in the valley", so to speak. We then pray to God(the Lilly in the valley), and He puts us on top of the mountain!! But, we had "life" first". I have been way down in the valley, but PRAISE BE TO GOD, He brings out of there everytime I ask Him! This, to me, is what true revival is. It's not in the church that revival takes place, but in our daily walk with Him. Sure, I go to church to "lift" and be "lifted", but I have "REVIVAL" in my car, at my house, when I talk scriptures with other believers. This is TRUE revival. May God bless you all!!

  12. Joshua Rhodes

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    Jun 9, 2003
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    Revival in my church Body starts with me, plain and simple. One cannot have church-wide revival until people decide and strive to live like Jesus, be in the Word, and spend time with the Father everyday.
  13. I Am Blessed 24

    I Am Blessed 24 Active Member

    Jan 2, 2003
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    You beat me to it, Joshua.

    I was going to say revival is in me.

    I love that old song, Lord, Send A Revival And Let It Begin In Me.
  14. AAA

    AAA New Member

    Jan 29, 2007
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  15. AAA

    AAA New Member

    Jan 29, 2007
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    double post...n/t..delete