1R. Jesus come for His own(given physical bodies)(John14:3, 1 Thess 4:17)
1SC. Jesus comes with his His own(already have physical bodies)(Rev.19:14)
Both are no difference. Thousands and thousands of Christians already died through past centuries, now are with the Lord in the heaven. When Christ shall come, He shall bring with them from heaven at His Coming - 1 Thess. 4:14. Also, in Jude 14, Enoch prophecied in his vision, he saw thousands and thousands of the saints shall come with Christ in the clouds. He prophicied it about more than 2,000 to probably 3,000 years before Christ. He does not see two phases of Lord's coming in his vision. He saw the only one coming of Christ. Also, two phases of the second coming was not teaching in the Early Church history. Jude 14 does not limited to saints(Christians) only, also, I am sure that Enoch saw thousands, and thousands of angels come with Christ too.
Yes, Christ shall come with his saints and angels at the second coming, so, we all shall meet them in the air at the second coming.
2R. Jesus comes in the air (1 Thess 4:17)
2 SC. Jesus come to the earth (Zech 14:4-5, Acts 1:11)
1 Thess 4:15-17 do not saying, when after we shall meet Christ in the air at his coming, then we shall go into the heaven as He returns back to heaven after he gathering us together, like as 'yo-yo's'. Neither John 14:1-3 saying, when after Christ come to receive us, He will return back to heaven again. 1 Thess 4:16 says, Christ shall
DESCEND from heaven. Descend means down opposite of up. Verse 16-17 do
not saying when AFTER Christ descends, then return back up to the heaven.
There are many details about the second coming in the Bible, yet, all of these speaking of the only one future coming of Christ. No way, you can prove there is a gap time of 7 years between rapture and the second coming in the Bible. It does not saying there is a gap time of 7 years between rapture and the second coming.
3R. Jesus comes to claim His Bride (1 Thess 4:16-17)
3SC. Jesus comes with His Bride (Rev. 19:6-14)
Again, I have no problem with them. Thousands, and thousands of saints are now in the heaven with the Lord throughout many centuries. When Christ shall come again, He shall bring with them from the heaven - 1 Thess. 4:14.
4R. end of the GENTILE Age (Matthew 24:3, 24:31-44)
4SC. end of the Tribulation Period (Revelation 19)
Right now, we are in the last days and we are in this present age. The disciples asked Christ, what shall be the signs of the end of the world, and signs of His coming - Matt 24:3. Christ answered their question. He tells us, we shall see the signs appearing everywhere over the world. The signs shall be end when after the sun, moon, and the stars become darkened, then Christ shall appear in the clouds with power and glory, He shall send his angels to gathering us together. The end of the world will be arrived WHEN Christ shall come with his angels at the second coming right after the tribulation. "The Gentile Age" is not in disciples' mind. In their mind, want to know how shall these things to be end of the world, and His coming. Also, they never hear of two phases of the second coming, because, two phases of the second coming doctrine was not yet exist during Christ's ministry. Also, you are aware that, Christ does not teaching to his disciples on the two phases of His coming. He taught them, the signs of the end of the world will be occured by follow His coming with his angels, Christ spoken of the only ONE future coming in the context of Matthew chapter 24, you know that.
5R. Tribulation period begins
5SC. Millennial Kingdom begins
We do not wait for the tribulation period. We are already face tribulations throughout centuries since Early Church to now - John 16:33; Acts 14:22; 1 Thess. 3:3-4; Romans 5:3-4. Thousands or millions of Christians already suffered tribulations and persecutions in the past centuries. Even, today, many Christians in Arab countries, are suffering persecutions. Also, in China too. You believe 'great tribulation' of Matt 24:21 is different from tribulations, it speaks of future three and half or seven years of tribulation period. Actually, there is NO difference between 'great tribulation' and tribulations, both are same defintion. Yet, I believe 'great tribulation' is a future event, when Antichrist shall be revealed to persecute against us, it will be much worst than all tribulations in the past.
Also, we are in realized millennium now, because Christ brought the kingdom of God/heaven to the world, that we preach on it to the world, Christ already give the power to the Church to preach the world - Matt 16:19; Matt 24:18; Acts 1:8. During Old Testament period, Satan deceived the nations, because the gospel was not yet spread. But, after the Calvary, in the New Testament period, Satan is not able deceive the nations, because the gospel is now spread over the world. Satan cannot stop the gospel from spreading over the world.
The next age - eternality age shall be begin right after the second coming. Right now, we are in this present age, many are given to marriage and produce more children - Luke 20:34. In the next age, no one shall be given to marriage, no more produce children, because we are the children of the resurrection - Luke 20:35-36. That mean, we all shall be changed into immortality, to be like angels. No immorality person shall produce more child, because they shall be glory like Christ - 1 John 3:2.
Eternality age shall be begin right after the second coming.
6R. Saved delivered from wrath (1 Thess 1:10; 5:9; Rev. 3:10)
6SC. Unsaved experince the wrath of God (Rev. 6:12-17)
Pretrib teaches, wrath is seven year of tribulation period.
Both wrath and tribulation are difference definition. Wrath defines, anger, mad, fierce, punish by God. Tribulation defines, trial, trouble, suffering, persecution. We are appointed for tribulation - 1 Thess. 3:3-4 because Christ suffered on the cross for us, so, therefore, we ought follow Christ's example - Luke 9:23; 1 Peter 2:21. We are not appointed for the wrath - 1 Thess. 5:9. Wrath is for send unbelievers to everlasting punishment because of reject Christ, also, not repent of sins.
Also, 1 Thess. 5:9 does not saying, "seven year of tribulation period". No way that you can prove 1 Thess 5:9 speak of seven year tribulation period, because it does not saying.
Also, you will not find anywhere in the book of Revelation saying that the wrath shall pour upon a saint.
Wrath is for send unbelievers to everlasting fire because of reject Christ, or not repent of sins.
Pretrib inteprets Rev. 3:10 speak of keep us from the hour of temptation to prove us, that we shall be delivery out before seven year of tribulation period come. But, they misintepreting Rev. 3:10, what it actual talking about.
Pretrib saying, 'keep from' proves that we shall be rapture out of it before the hour of temptation comes.
I want to discuss on Rev. 3:10.
Notice, There is comparing of Rev. 3:10 same with Rev. 2:10 and James 1:12 too.
Also, there is another refer verse for Rev. 3:10 is John 17:15. Christ prayed to His Father in heaven, He asked Father, not take them out of the world(sounds like rapture?), but to keep them from the evil, it means, He asked His Father to protect us from the evil like as trials or tribulations. Christ asked His Father, not to take Christians out of the world, but to protect them from the evil.
I want to show you the comparing of Rev. 2:10, 3:10-11 with James 1:12:
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Rev. 3:10 promises us, IF we keep his commandments, He will protect us from the temptations. OR.... if we do not keep HIs commandments, He will not protect us from the temptation.
1 Corinthians 10:13 "There hath no temptation taken you such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
It tells us, God do not allow us to face greater temptations, He knows our weakness areas. But, it tells us, we are carry with the temptations, and able to escape from fall into sin.
Good example - Joseph in Genesis 39:7-13. When Joseph faced temptation of master's wife. She asked him, for sex. He refused. She kept on asked him often day to day. He kept on stubborn, and told her, no. One day, she asked him, the same question, he refused, but, she grabbed Joseph's garment, he fled away immediated as she grabbed his garment same time. He did the right thing to fled from fall into sin. He fears of the Lord.
I want to show you of Matthew Henry Commentary on Rev. 3:10. He wrote it in year between 1690 to 1710. He said:
"By keeping the gospel they are prepared for the trial; and the same divine grace that has made them fruitful in times of peace will make them faithful in TIMES of persecution." Clearly, Rev. 3:10 tells us, Christ promises us, IF we keep His commandment, He will protect us from the temptation.
'Hour' of Rev. 3:10 does not saying it is seven year. Hour means, period, time, era. Good example of 'hour' in Matthew 26:45 "Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, 'Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the HOUR is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.'" Does that mean, Christ shall died on the corss a hour later during in the very same night at around 4 a.m.? No. It tells us, Christ told them, that
His TIME is arrived that His death shall be betrayed on the cross. He died about 12 or 13 hours later in the afternoon at around 3 pm on the cross.
Rev. 3:10 is not talk about keep us from the seven year of tribulation period. Neither, it say, 'wrath', 'caught up', 'gathering together' 'resurrection' coming of Christ. Rev. 3:10 promises us, IF we keep His commandment, He will protect us from the temptations. We do NOT have to wait for the coming "hour of temptation". Church of Philadelphia during John's time in year around 95 A.D., already faced tempations. Early Church already faced temptations in their times. We already face temptations in our lifetime. We do not have to wait for the coming "hour of temptation", we already facing temptations daily in our lifetime. It promises us,
IF we keep His commandments, He will protect us from the temptations. OR..... if we do not keep His commandment, we might face mess up and troubles.
Rev. 3:10 is not the evidence of pretrib. It speaks of promise us, if we keep his commandments, He shall protect us from the temptations. IF we endure with them, and not give up all the way to the end at our death or Christ comes, we shall received the crown of life same with Rev. 2:10 and 3:10-11.
7R. No signs preced the Rapture (1 Thess. 5:1-3, Matthew 24:31-44)
7SC. Signs preced the Second Coming (Luke 21:11-28, Matthew 24:21-30)
You really twisted what Christ was talking about. Christ clearly teaching us, we shall see the signs must appear everywhere BEFORE his coming - Matt 24:4-30. He cannot come till we must see the signs appear everywhere first.
Matt 24:36,42,44 do not mean that there is no sign before His coming. It speaks of no one know when day or hour Christ comes. Matt. 24:36,42,44 do not prove it is 'pretrib'. Matt. 24:36,42,44 are context with Matt 24:29. We all know Christ shall come after the tribulation, but we do not know what the exactly hour, or day, or what year, when Christ shall come. We must always be watch and be ready all the time for His coming.
Cannot you see the signs appear everywhere in the world already? Cannot you see apostasy appear everywhere in the world already? - 2 Thess 2:3; 1 Tim. 4:1; 2 Tim. 3:1-7, and 2 Tim. 4:3-4.
Again, you want to separate Matt 24:31 from verse 29-30, that is against the hermenuetic rule - intepreting in
CONTEXTUALLY. Matt 24:31 does not separate from verse 29-30, you know that. Our gathering together cannot be occur yet TILL Christ must comes first - 1 Thess. 4:15.
I KNOW in your mind and your heart cannot deny of Matt 24:31 is clearly context with verse 29-30. God knows in your heart and mind, that you are aware of Matt 24:29-31 speak of our gathering together shall be AFTER the tribulation. SO....... you intepreting them into your own logical and twist them. Christ does not agree with your intepreting of Matt 24:29-31, because you do not agree with Christ's word, what He actual saying.
By the way, Luke 21:28 tells us, we must see the things come to pass
THEN we look up for our redemption draw near. Obivlously, we must see the signs come to pass first BEFORE our redemption comes. Redemption speaks of our body all shall be changed into immortality - Romans 8:19-23; and 1 Cor. 15:51-54.
8R. Focus: Lord and Church (1 Thess 4:13-18)
8SC. Focus: Israel and Kingdom (Romans 11)
Both Jews and Gentiles already reconciled together into ONE through Calvary - Eph. 2:12-16. NO LONGER divided between Jews and Gentiles both are now unity together into ONE for forever and ever.
Romans chapter 11 teaches us, God does not forsake Jews-(Rom.11:1-2), But He removed Jews from the Olive Tree because of their unbelief - Romans 11:19-23. Gentiles was wild branches, God grafted Gentiles into the Olive Tree to join with believing Jews together. Both are share on the same tree through Jesus Christ by Calvary. SO, ALL(both Jew and Gentile) Israel be saved- Romans 11:25-26.
9R. World deceived (2 Thess 2:3-12)
9SC. Satan is bound (Rev. 20:1-2)
Right now, Satan cannot be allow to deceive the world, he is now bound from being to be deceived the world by Calvary. 2 Thess 2:6-7 tells us, Satan is now holding back from being to be revealed, obivously, he is bound now. Rev. 17:8 tells us, Satan is now holding back from being to be revealed. Same with Rev. 20:2-3 tell us, Satan is now holding back from being deceive the nations because of Calvary. He cannot stop us from spreading the gospel over the world. Christ already given His power to Church - Matt 16:19; Matt 28:18; and Acts 1:8 to witness gospel to the world.
2 Thess 2:7-8 tell us, Satan shall be loose out of the way then He shall be revealed to deceived the nations for a short time(little season- Rev. 20:3b)- 42 months. Satan's work shall be destroyed at Christ's coming - 2 Thess 2:8b.
When, Satan shall be loose out of the way, and to be revealed - 2 Thess 2:7-8, Then, Satan shall deceived the world - 2 Thess 2:9-13 same with Matt 24:24 and Rev. 13:13.
10R. No judgment mentioned on earth
10SC. Follows the Tribulation period judgment and follwed by the sheep/goats judgment
The problem is, Romans 14:10; 1 Cor. 3:12-15; and 2 Cor. 5:10 do
not/B] saying the judgement shall be in the heaven.
Matt 16:27 and Rev. 22:12 both clear tell us, Christ says, when He shall come with his angels, He shall bring rewards with Him, give them to men of their works, both speak of the second coming.
Matt 25:31-46 do not saying where the place will be taken- Christ shall judge the world. But, I am no doubt, Christ shall judge the world near Jerusalem after His feet touch Mt. Olivet.
Yes, we all shall be judged by Jesus Christ at His coming with his angels - Matt 25:31-46. Saints are God's sheep. All sheep shall be judged also at His coming - Matt 25:31-46.
11R. Tim of Joy
11SC. Time of sorrow
Many saints shall be joy when they shall see Christ appearing in the clouds at His coming, as all our body shall be chnaged into immortality.
But, nor every saints shall be joy, many will be tears during the judgement day, you and me shall have tears during in the judgement day, when we shall see our love ones shall be cast away into the lake of fire, will miss them forever and ever. Lot of saints shall have tears, many shall lose rewards or shall be shocked to find out that their names are not find written in the book of life, shall cast into the lake of fire. EVERYONE will have tears during great white throne judgment day.
"Time of sorrow"- we are already seeing the sorrows everywhere in the world - Matt 24:4-8. It already happeninbg since Early Church to today, and these are continue through great tribulation till Christ comes.
Of course, there shall be a great mourning or wailing for the world - Matt 24:30; & Rev. 1:7, when they shall see Christ appear in power and glory with his angels, because they rejected him, His coming shall cause them feel guilt and ashamed for reject him, cast them into the lake of fire.
In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
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