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Who are God's chosen people?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Tim, Apr 2, 2003.

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  1. Tim

    Tim New Member

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    For an example, consider these two men:

    1. An orthodox Jew living in modern Israel
    2. A Christian Arab living in Palestinian territory

    Of the two, which is one of God's "chosen" people?

    If you say both, are they chosen in the same way (i.e. chosen for what purpose)?

    As a Christian, to which man do we have a greater obligation?

    Finally, what is your Scriptural support?

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
    #1 Tim, Apr 2, 2003
  2. Mark Osgatharp

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    Tim,

    The only "chosen people" God has are those who believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. A Christian Arab living in Palestine would be one of God's chosen people; an Orthodox Jew would not.

    Jesus made it plain that those who do not believe on Him - even of the Jews - are children of Satan (John chapter 8). The whole of Scripture revolves around the concept that faith in Christ is the condition of acceptance with God.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #2 Mark Osgatharp, Apr 2, 2003
  3. RTB

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    Mark, I agree.

    Ronnie
     
    #3 RTB, Apr 3, 2003
  4. Daniel David

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    Tim, I know what you are getting at. You are trying to get the hyperdispies out of the woodwork.

    Well, as a dispensationalist, the Christian is part of God's people. The lost Jew is not. In fact, unless he repents, he will likewise perish.
     
    #4 Daniel David, Apr 3, 2003
  5. Johnv

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    The OT is very specific. The Jews are God's chosen people. It wasn't a conditional covanent.
     
    #5 Johnv, Apr 3, 2003
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    Yes, but only those who are the spiritual descendants of Abraham are Israel. Therefore, the church (that is, Christians) are true Israel while those who are merely Abraham's physical descendants are not.

    [ April 04, 2003, 10:42 AM: Message edited by: Baptist Believer ]
     
    #6 Baptist Believer, Apr 3, 2003
  7. Tim

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    This issue actually was discussed in a Sunday School class recently. Many seemed to favor the physical Jew as the more significantly chosen one.

    Those of you who know my view on this subject can imagine my reaction, (rise in blood-pressure, etc.)

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
    #7 Tim, Apr 3, 2003
  8. Daniel David

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    Tim, you should have said, "Since when is ignorance a point of view?". That would have been good.

    - a believer in THE better covenant
     
    #8 Daniel David, Apr 3, 2003
  9. Primitive Baptist

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    Salvation is according to the election of grace, not the election of race.
     
    #9 Primitive Baptist, Apr 3, 2003
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    God's chosen people are Jews inwardly?... Can a Jew of race be a inward Jew of grace?... Brother Glen The Primitive Baptist [​IMG]
     
    #10 tyndale1946, Apr 3, 2003
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    The Palestinian Christian and the Messianic Jew alike are chosen.Our solidarity should be with both. Non-messianic Jews and Muslim Palestinians are not, but this does not mean that we should treat them with antipathy.

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
    #11 Matt Black, Apr 4, 2003
  12. Preacher Nathan Knight

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    The jews are God's chosen people and in the battle of Armageddon, God will save the entire nation of Israel.
     
    #12 Preacher Nathan Knight, Apr 4, 2003
  13. Primitive Baptist

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    Do you have any Scriptures to back up that claim?
     
    #13 Primitive Baptist, Apr 4, 2003
  14. Tim

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    In what way is an unconverted Jew who dies in his sin "chosen" of God? Chosen for what--damnation?
    Can someone who believes that all Jews today are God's chosen people please explain that to me?

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
    #14 Tim, Apr 4, 2003
  15. Daniel David

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    The dispensationalist says that a future generation of Jews will be God's people because they will embrace the Lord.

    Too often, that trickles down to thinking that ethnic Jews are God's people today.
     
    #15 Daniel David, Apr 4, 2003
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    Preach the Word, I think you made a very important point. Thanks for clarifying that. Because one believes in the future restoration of the Jews does not imply that the Jewish people as a whole are chosen. On this point, Tim also made a very good point. If a natural Jew dies and and is damned, in what way was he chosen of God? Jews or Gentiles, neither have an advantage in the kingdom of God. The Scripturesclearly declare that there is NO DIFFERENCE. The wall of partition was destroyed. Preach the Word, do you believe that God has a separate and distinct purpose for Israel or would you say that we are now taking part in the same plan that Israel will one day be grafted back into? How would you define what you believe concerning this?
     
    #16 Primitive Baptist, Apr 5, 2003
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    How do we know that a Jew has died an unbeliever. If we are consistent that salvation is of the Lord?

    Why is it impossible for a Jew who is currently and outwardly an unbeliever to not be chosen of God?

    Were we not at one time outwardly unbelievers?

    Bro.Dallas
     
    #17 Frogman, Apr 5, 2003
  18. Tim

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    Bro. Dallas,

    Surely anyone who is regenerated by God's spirit to believe in Christ will be saved. But do you honestly think that ALL Jews are thus saved before they die? Jesus seemed to indicate that many Jews in his day were destined for hell.

    In the O.T. the Jews were chosen nationally for particular purposes (which I believe are now fulfilled), but not necessarily for the salvation of all individuals. Being "chosen" in O.T. terms is not equivalent to being "chosen" in N.T. terms.

    A believer in the better covenant,

    Tim
     
    #18 Tim, Apr 5, 2003
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    I understand and do not necessarily disagree with you.

    I beleive God is not finished with Israel, that this means every individual Jew will be saved I do not know.

    I do know that Christ was given the Throne of David for His and that throne was only in Jerusalem, Christ is not now on that Throne, but is sitting at the right hand of the Father in His Throne.


    God Bless
    Bro. Dallas

    [ April 05, 2003, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: Frogman ]
     
    #19 Frogman, Apr 5, 2003
  20. Tim

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    I would contend your point about whether Christ now sits upon the throne of David, but that's not the point of this thread.

    However, we don't need to wonder if Jews who die without Christ will be saved--they clearly will not.

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
    #20 Tim, Apr 5, 2003
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