Who bites a disabled kid?!

[Gina B]

Apparently this particular substitute teacher in the story.

I'm so glad they reported it to the police. I am very curious as to what the exact charges will be and what the judge will do with this.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region...autistic-student-bitten-by-substitute-teacher

 

[Salty]

I'll see what Mrs Salty has to say about this when she gets home. She subs on a part time basis at the public school, and she has been bit by some the disabled students.

 

[Gina B]

I sub the same thing when possible, if not I sub other classes. My comment is the first one under the story linked since it was the last one posted, posted as subteacher.

 

[freeatlast]

On the surface this sounds so outrageous, but there are two sides and it may not be all it sounds like. My mother bit me when I was a child to break me of biting other children. By the way it worked! :thumbsup: None the less I am not suggesting that this is the best way for a teacher to handle a problem in today's society.

 

[Gina B]

On the surface this sounds so outrageous, but there are two sides and it may not be all it sounds like. My mother bit me when I was a child to break me of biting other children. By the way it worked! :thumbsup: None the less I am not suggesting that this is the best way for a teacher to handle a problem in today's society.

Parent vs young child with normal thinking and processing skills is drastically different from a strange teacher vs a severely autistic 6 year old.

It sounds as if the teacher is claiming the kid kept biting him so he said "if you bite me I'll bite you" and says he did not bite down hard.

Still not right. There's a zillion better ways to handle it.

1. Admit you can't hack it and leave.
2. Ask the other teachers how to handle it. They know the kid, you don't. All questions should be asked BEFORE you start. "What are his triggers? Does he need space? Does he ever get violent? What commands does he understand? What works to calm him if he gets upset?" A decent sub will go in early to such a class and LEARN THESE THINGS before they ever start their day.
3. Learn his biting cues and distract him as soon as you see a behavior start. (my personal fave, point away from you and say "COOL! What is THAT?!" or something of that nature)
4. Ask to trade children you're working with because sometimes a kid just doesn't like you and a child that far on the spectrum being disrupted from his daily schedule is even more likely to act out against a strange teacher on top of a schedule disruption.
5. If the biting was part of a fit (and the teacher appears to have said he was biting the crud out of him so it sounds like an out of control fit to me) , place the child in the "rage room" until the fit is exhausted. I've never been in a school without one.
6. Stay out of biting distance.

etc etc etc!

 

[freeatlast]

Parent vs young child with normal thinking and processing skills is drastically different from a strange teacher vs a severely autistic 6 year old.

It sounds as if the teacher is claiming the kid kept biting him so he said "if you bite me I'll bite you" and says he did not bite down hard.

Still not right. There's a zillion better ways to handle it.

1. Admit you can't hack it and leave.
2. Ask the other teachers how to handle it. They know the kid, you don't. All questions should be asked BEFORE you start. "What are his triggers? Does he need space? Does he ever get violent? What commands does he understand? What works to calm him if he gets upset?" A decent sub will go in early to such a class and LEARN THESE THINGS before they ever start their day.
3. Learn his biting cues and distract him as soon as you see a behavior start. (my personal fave, point away from you and say "COOL! What is THAT?!" or something of that nature)
4. Ask to trade children you're working with because sometimes a kid just doesn't like you and a child that far on the spectrum being disrupted from his daily schedule is even more likely to act out against a strange teacher on top of a schedule disruption.
5. If the biting was part of a fit (and the teacher appears to have said he was biting the crud out of him so it sounds like an out of control fit to me) , place the child in the "rage room" until the fit is exhausted. I've never been in a school without one.
6. Stay out of biting distance.

etc etc etc!

First off this is a clear example of a parent not doing their job at home if this child is a biter. If this child is a biter at school then it is because he is a biter at home and the parent is responsible for not teaching him different before the child went to school and in my opinion the teacher should be allowed to sue the parents because of their lack of discipline in the home. Like I said I am not suggesting that this was the way to handle this, but only because of our culture today. There was a time when this would have not been seen as improper. In fact when I grew up the parent would shake the teachers hand for this if it was for correction. In most households in times past if the child was disciplined at school they got it again when they got home, but today in this liberal irresponsible climate the teacher is at the mercy of the child. NOT GOOD!
I personally do not see this improper even if the child was severely autistic. These children learn to use their handicaps to their advantage because of some of those in education as well as parents who hold to irresponsible and liberal ways. The old saying what goes around comes around actually works even in such cases. Also as I said there just is not enough information to form a good opinion. Did the teacher just bite the child for no reason? I doubt it, but if that is what happened then he should be removed. Did he bite the child to teach the child a lesson because the child was a biter? Then I feel what he did was not wrong, but again because of this crazy liberal irresponsible culture today I think that the teacher chose the wrong manner in which to handle it. Also did the teacher take a chunk out of the child or just bite him in a manner where he knew how it felt? There are a lot of things left out here. If this were my child and he/she was a biter and the teacher returned the favor to the child I would scold the teacher if I felt he/she did not bite the child hard enough and then discipline the child again when he/she got home.
The ways that you gave to handle a child is exactly what is happening today in this liberal climate and the children are growing up as bullies, and criminals. The last thing you said
"6. Stay out of biting distance." Is so ridiculous it is not even funny. If you believe that then I would say to you to stay out of gun shot range for when this kid grows up he may be a shooter instead of just a biter.

 

[menageriekeeper]

When you have an autistic child, then you can be the "expert" and tell the rest of parents with autistic children how to parent. Until then, you need to refrain from making blanket "bad parenting" claims.

A stranger biting my child (not autistic) had better stay out of my reach, because when I get ahold of him he's gonna wish it was only my child's teeth causing his pain! It is NOT up to ANYONE to bite my child. I don't want their nasty germs on my child's skin. We have enough health problems without any that might be caused by a human bite. Do you know how nasty those are???

Not only that, but if a school/teacher has a problem with my child, they better be calling me to apply the discipline. I don't want my child being the last straw that broke the camel's back and bearing the brunt of a teacher's frustrating day. If my child needs disciplining, they can call me and wait the ten minutes it'll take for me to drive down there. (never fear, my child will NOT enjoy the experience)

You might call this liberal, I call good parenting and a good parent protects their child from the whims of people who don't have their best interest at heart.

Of course right now, my children's teacher can discipline to her heart's content.

Cause I AM my children's teacher.

 

[matt wade]

First off this is a clear example of a parent not doing their job at home if this child is a biter. blah blah blah

You are ignorant.

 

[Gina B]

freeatlast, I really don't know what to say to that. You just don't seem to grasp the concept that there are kids in this world that function at a lower level and honestly lack the capacity to reason at a level that would make their behavior "wrong." These kids aren't sinning, they're interacting and expressing themselves in the only ways they know how, if even that sometimes.

The best parenting in the world usually won't stop a severely autistic child from unacceptable social behaviors.

Anyhow, I do challenge you to not only read up on autism, but to look up videos and such on youtube that show severely autistic kids in action. Nothing helps more than directly working with it, but that would be silly in your case. Please do look it up a little and let me know if your opinion remains the same.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I worked in a lock-up for juvinile delinquents for 9 years, and I have seen it all. There is nothing like getting bit by an angry child. The pain is one thing. The blood-borne pathogens are quite another. It has happened to me several times, and each time, my method of dealing with it was to cause the child so much immediate, intense pain that he had to let go. I can completely imagine being in a restraint hold with a kid, having him bite you, and having your bottom jaw as your only available weapon. I would bite a kid to get his jaws off me.

Yup.

Hard.

 

[webdog]

You are ignorant.

Short and to the point. I'm fed up with reading such ignorant comments.

 

[matt wade]

I worked in a lock-up for juvinile delinquents for 9 years, and I have seen it all. There is nothing like getting bit by an angry child. The pain is one thing. The blood-borne pathogens are quite another. It has happened to me several times, and each time, my method of dealing with it was to cause the child so much immediate, intense pain that he had to let go. I can completely imagine being in a restraint hold with a kid, having him bite you, and having your bottom jaw as your only available weapon. I would bite a kid to get his jaws off me.

Yup.

Hard.

A 6 year old boy Curtis? You apply this situation to a 6 year old boy? Yes, that's what we are talking about here (in the OP). A 6 year old boy with severe autism.

 

[Gina B]

I worked in a lock-up for juvinile delinquents for 9 years, and I have seen it all. There is nothing like getting bit by an angry child. The pain is one thing. The blood-borne pathogens are quite another. It has happened to me several times, and each time, my method of dealing with it was to cause the child so much immediate, intense pain that he had to let go. I can completely imagine being in a restraint hold with a kid, having him bite you, and having your bottom jaw as your only available weapon. I would bite a kid to get his jaws off me.

Yup.

Hard.

Hopefully they aren't putting severely autistic 6 year olds in juvie!

I've never had a problem save once in getting a child OR adult to let go of a bite by blocking their nose and pushing MORE of whatever they were biting on me into their mouth. It's one of the first things you are taught in self-defense, and anyone working with the mentally ill should not do so if they haven't been taught how to restrain a person or de-escalate a situation without injuring the other person.

 

[freeatlast]

When you have an autistic child, then you can be the "expert" and tell the rest of parents with autistic children how to parent. Until then, you need to refrain from making blanket "bad parenting" claims.

A stranger biting my child (not autistic) had better stay out of my reach, because when I get ahold of him he's gonna wish it was only my child's teeth causing his pain! It is NOT up to ANYONE to bite my child. I don't want their nasty germs on my child's skin. We have enough health problems without any that might be caused by a human bite. Do you know how nasty those are???

Not only that, but if a school/teacher has a problem with my child, they better be calling me to apply the discipline. I don't want my child being the last straw that broke the camel's back and bearing the brunt of a teacher's frustrating day. If my child needs disciplining, they can call me and wait the ten minutes it'll take for me to drive down there. (never fear, my child will NOT enjoy the experience)

You might call this liberal, I call good parenting and a good parent protects their child from the whims of people who don't have their best interest at heart.

Of course right now, my children's teacher can discipline to her heart's content.

Cause I AM my children's teacher.

Like I said it is irresponsible liberal parenting that sends any child to a school or any other place to watch that child and know that the child has a problem like biting and expect those caring for the child not to disciplin him/her.. And for someone to say that they would get the person involved just proves that their parenting skills are off since children pick up on a parents habits and manners. So again my guess is that the parents of this child has the same beliefs as you and now they have a child out of control which may very well turn into a criminal. Again the teacher most likely did no wrong. It was the parents fault for not training their child, and I think that in the case when a parent does not want their child disciplined they need to keep them home away from others and teach them however they desire as long as they do not allow them in public.

 

[freeatlast]

freeatlast, I really don't know what to say to that. You just don't seem to grasp the concept that there are kids in this world that function at a lower level and honestly lack the capacity to reason at a level that would make their behavior "wrong." These kids aren't sinning, they're interacting and expressing themselves in the only ways they know how, if even that sometimes.

The best parenting in the world usually won't stop a severely autistic child from unacceptable social behaviors.

Anyhow, I do challenge you to not only read up on autism, but to look up videos and such on youtube that show severely autistic kids in action. Nothing helps more than directly working with it, but that would be silly in your case. Please do look it up a little and let me know if your opinion remains the same.

Gina I can understand that you do not know what to say. You have clearly been programmed by the liberal irresponsible agenda of the world on this matter and because of it if you teach children you will be in some sort responsible for their dysfunctional lives and criminal activities in their future. There is absolutely no reason to believe that this man bit the child hard or did any damage physically. The real problem is that he disciplined the child which his parents did not and some who hold the same godless beliefs system are crying foul.

 

[freeatlast]

Hopefully they aren't putting severely autistic 6 year olds in juvie!

I've never had a problem save once in getting a child OR adult to let go of a bite by blocking their nose and pushing MORE of whatever they were biting on me into their mouth. It's one of the first things you are taught in self-defense, and anyone working with the mentally ill should not do so if they haven't been taught how to restrain a person or de-escalate a situation without injuring the other person.

I agree about the 6 year olds and not locking them up, disciplin them. It is the parents that should be locked up or remove the child from their care or lack their of. I can tell that you have very little experience in handling the emotionally challenged or at least improper training.
I have a nephew who when he was a very young child was out of control because his mother followed your formula in raising him. Before he was 10 she had to call the police because he was out of control and when they arrived he attacked one of them by kicking him. The officer was smart enough not to follow your formula and threw him to the floor, pounced on him and cuffed him on the spot. By the way the child never made that mistake again. Just like the child who bit the teacher he was not harmed, but he did get the message. The only difference is that the child who bit the teacher now is worst off then before because of liberal irresponsible people who are making such a fuss over this. Now the child will think he is above any discipline and his actions do not hold the consequences they should. Bad parenting! No person should EVER have to put themselves in harms way while watching children when they pose the threat of being harmed themselves.
If we would follow the guidelines of the Lord (the Rod) instead of the world these children would have a much brighter future ahead of them. However because of liberal irresponsible people and parenting who want to just "Stay out of biting distance" these children are headed for a seriously troubled life.

 

[matt wade]

Yes, you are still ignorant

 

[Bro. Curtis]

A 6 year old boy Curtis? You apply this situation to a 6 year old boy? Yes, that's what we are talking about here (in the OP). A 6 year old boy with severe autism.

If you would bite that 6 year old boy with severe autism and bite him hard, you too are an idiot.

I'm not going to defend myself to someone with your language. Think what you will. And pound on some sand while yer thinking it.

 

[menageriekeeper]

:
Originally Posted by matt wade
You are an idiot.

Short and to the point. I'm fed up with reading such ignorant comments.

I don't know Webby, I think in this case Matt has a point.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Hopefully they aren't putting severely autistic 6 year olds in juvie!

I've never had a problem save once in getting a child OR adult to let go of a bite by blocking their nose and pushing MORE of whatever they were biting on me into their mouth. It's one of the first things you are taught in self-defense, and anyone working with the mentally ill should not do so if they haven't been taught how to restrain a person or de-escalate a situation without injuring the other person.

I agree with all of that. I have done thousands of restraints and never hurt any kid. But sometimes you have your limbs busy doing other things. I have seen autistic, lead paint baby, all manner of low functioning children. I know all about de-escalation. I also know what it is to walk into a unit where the adults have lost control. and it was up to me to restore it.

Gina, I never bit a kid. And I have seen some HARD 6 year olds. All I am saying is I see a situation where it could happen. That and Matt Wade isn't worth talking to.