1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Who Did Jesus Christ Say He Came To Save?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Saved-By-Grace, Mar 6, 2018.

  1. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    55
    Faith:
    Baptist
    As I have said before, they only see what they want to. They mock and argue that we don't understand the languages, and when presented with evidence from Greek scholars, they have no answer, but, instead of apology, they ignore the truth.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  2. The Archangel

    The Archangel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2003
    Messages:
    2,758
    Likes Received:
    107
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Why would I need to do that? You seem not to realize that I already know Greek. I'm not reading books to try and learn it. Also, you seem not to understand that in my pointing out your calling the Greek subjunctive "conditional," I have already proven you wrong.

    Seriously, you need to learn the difference between "Cannot" and "Will not."

    The Archangel
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  3. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    55
    Faith:
    Baptist
     
  4. The Archangel

    The Archangel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2003
    Messages:
    2,758
    Likes Received:
    107
    Faith:
    Baptist
    First you need to use the quote feature properly so that you are not putting words into my mouth. Second, you should not assume things you cannot possibly know or prove. I choose not to completely dismantle your so-called argument because I simply have better things to do than explain biblical theology, context, Greek, etc. to you because you've demonstrated you have no intention or inclination to listen or learn.

    The Archangel
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  5. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    55
    Faith:
    Baptist
    :Sleep
     
  6. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2002
    Messages:
    32,913
    Likes Received:
    71
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian

    Indeed - lots of time for vitriol -- and not much for actually looking at the texts that refute their calvinism
     
  7. FollowTheWay

    FollowTheWay Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2013
    Messages:
    3,446
    Likes Received:
    154
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I read this thread and can't find anyone answering the question poses in the thread title. Who did Jesus say he came to save? I see only a lot of nit-picking on the interpretation of the tense of the Greek verbs.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    15,333
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jesus said he laid down His life for THE SHEEP.Jn10
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  9. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    15,333
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Proverbs 7:7
    And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  10. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    15,333
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Proverbs 7:7
    And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  11. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    15,333
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Proverbs 7:7
    And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  12. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    15,333
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Proverbs 7:7
    And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2002
    Messages:
    32,913
    Likes Received:
    71
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    -- Calvinists don't understand the Bible definition of Atonement as defined by God in the Lev 16 "Day of Atonement" where BOTH the work of Christ as the "Lord's Goat" - the LAMB of God -- and ALSO the work of Christ as High Priest (The MAIN POINT according to Hebrews 8:1) is required to satisfy the Bible's broad-scope meaning for Atonement.

    1 John 2:2 "He is the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" NIV

    Thus "the Atoning Sacrifice" completed at the cross - but the full Leviticus 16 scope for the "Term" that we call "Atonement" must include BOTH the work of Christ as sin offering (Atoning sacrifice) AND the work of Christ as High Priest.

    This not-so-subtle detail gets totally lost in all the story-telling of Calvinism.

    And it is the irrefutable solution for the Arminian position on the subject of atonement.

    Calvinism only survives the key Bible detail .. by ignoring it whenever it comes up.

    No end to the ad hominem you can get from some Calvinists - as soon as they see scripture that refutes their preference
     
  14. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2002
    Messages:
    32,913
    Likes Received:
    71
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    No end to the ad hominem you can get from some Calvinists - as soon as they see scripture that refutes their preference
     
  15. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2002
    Messages:
    32,913
    Likes Received:
    71
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian

    There is a great deal of ad hominem, misdirection, smoke-and-mirrors when some Calvinists post - but I would still argue that the texts listed above apply to the OP
     
  16. FollowTheWay

    FollowTheWay Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2013
    Messages:
    3,446
    Likes Received:
    154
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No argument there. Is the question who are His sheep? Calvinist issue? Status of the Jews?
     
  17. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    15,333
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The sheep are all the Father gave to Him.jn6:37, Hebrews2:11-16


    45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

    46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
     
    #37 Iconoclast, Mar 8, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  18. Reformed

    Reformed Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2012
    Messages:
    2,835
    Likes Received:
    661
    Faith:
    Baptist
    He would be better off just exiting the thread, but like a moth to the flame, he cannot help himself. Thank you for exposing his ignorance of koine grammar.



    Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
     
    • Like Like x 2
  19. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    55
    Faith:
    Baptist
    :Roflmao
     
  20. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    24,857
    Likes Received:
    530
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Don Q actually
     
Loading...