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Who 'suicided' Epstein?

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    My martial arts instructor has choked me out in way less time.
     
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    I saw a Judo clip to that effect
     
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    Clinton did it. Trump did it. The tooth fairy did it. Is it really hard to believe a man used to living the life of luxury killed himself when faced with life in Federal prison? I have seen plenty of inmates kill themselves for much less. I have cut down several who were trying. Have cut down a couple who succeeded.
     
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    You will never satisfy conspiracy theorist. It's an American disease. He already attempted suicide once. Suicide watches are draining so they only run for a few days IN ALL PRISONS & JAILS...too much manpower needed.
     
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    Yep. If you want to kill yourself, you will find a way. What good is checking someone every 30 minutes. The courts have ruled that suicide is not a crime and a person has the right to kill himself. Why does the Fed Govt get to deny a person that right?
     
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    Fifth Amendment to the constitution, part of the Bill of Rights.

    The Bill Of Rights - Amendments 1 - 10
     
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    Yep, I love our rights.
     
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    That is not a special priviledge.
    Attorney/client rooms are available by policy to all inmates receiving a visit from an attorney.
    They are not really "private" inasmuch as they are in occupied areas and are visible to both staff, and obviously, the other attorney who clearly witnessed this "extra" priviledge.
    This same attorney who is our source would have been exercising precisely the same right in another "private" room, also publically visible and available to any inmate's attorney.
     
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    This "source" is probably an inmate.
    Inmates lie.
    Inmates are bored.
    A reporter in a SHU can get a "source" to claim practically anything the inmate thinks the reporter will find interesting.
    He will subsequently ask them to put money in their commissary account.
     
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    They essentially "sit"....on nothing.
    I've seen it several times.
    They (as Reynolds said) initially black out and then die of asphyxiation.
    The Bureau of Prisons calculates the process from tying the noose and fixing it to upper bunk to actual death as being roughly 8 minutes. Even 30-minute rounds cannot prevent that.
    The point of the 30-minute rounds is to protect the Bureau from inevitable lawsuits (the Bureau's main and over-powering concern) not protect the inmate's life.
     
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    There is some fishy stuff going on in the aftermath of the death to be sure.....mainly CYA stuff.
    The thing that doesn't add up to me, is how he was possibly single-celled. No one coming off of suicide watch should be placed in a cell by themselves. I'm also suspicious that the staff did indeed do rounds and the Bureau is trying to pretend they did not. Sometimes, staff miss 30-minute checks...but not for hours on end, especially with official counts occurring at midnight, 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. which are all but impossible to falsify.
    But, I have almost no doubt it was indeed a suicide.
    My guess is the administration and the BOP higher-ups are avoiding taking responsibility by trying to place the blame entirely on lower-level staff. That is how the BOP operates.
     
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