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Why do we need Planned Parenthood ?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Bro. Curtis, Apr 8, 2011.

  1. Bro. Curtis

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    If team zero outlawed federal abortion $$, and his health care system is designed especially to bring more help to the poor, isn't this a redundant agnecy ? Do we really need to fund them over the troops ?
     
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  2. mandym

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    The funding of Planned parenthood is a disgrace.
     
  3. billwald

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    How will it help the budget to put millions more babies on welfare every year?
     
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    Are you saying (and I certainly hope I misunderstand you) that they should be killed off to save money?
     
  5. Bro. Curtis

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    So federal funds ARE used for abortion ?
     
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    That is exactly what he is saying.

    Billwald considers some classes of people to be garbage to be thrown into the trash heap.

    His feelings about the poor have been well expressed on this board.
     
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    And illegal as well.
     
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    Think adoption
     
  9. billwald

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    Good Christians I have met would rather spend tens of thousands to adopt a Chinese or any foreign baby than adopt an African-American baby. In Washington State one is almost paid to adopt minority kids.

    No, women do not have abortions in order to help reduce the national debt. It is an unintended consequence of women having abortions.
     
  10. Bro. Curtis

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    I would like to know what that has to do with federal funding.
     
  11. billwald

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    Has to do with interstate commerce and the general welfare.
     
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    I agree. We need to do away with government welfare programs.
     
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    I can't imagine what this has to do with "interstate commerce", but you understand that when the Constitution says "to provide for the general welfare" that it isn't talking about entitlement programs, right?
     
  14. billwald

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    >I can't imagine what this has to do with "interstate commerce",

    Your Supreme Court would find a connection. <G>

    >but you understand that when the Constitution says "to provide for the general welfare" that it isn't talking about entitlement programs, right?

    NO, I don't understand that and neither do your elected and appointed judiciary.
     
  15. JohnDeereFan

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    Since you're the one who said it, you really should explain what it has to do with interstate commerce.

    Then they're just as ignorant of the Constitution as you are.

    James Madison disagrees with you:

    The General Welfare clause applies to the States of the Union, not to the People. Furthermore, even if this clause was determined that it did apply to the people specifically, it is clear that any benefit or enhanced well being should be general or applied to the whole and not a select few.

    The Constitution addresses specific entities throughout the document. The People as an entity are only addressed twice in the main body of the US Constitution and in no case does the General Welfare clause apply to the People specifically. However, the Constitution does specifically define the rights which are to be retained by the People. The right to have the Federal Government pay for entitlement programs is not among them.

    Notice that the General Welfare Clause specifically defines to which body or entity the general welfare clause is to apply. Since the United States is specifically made up of the States themselves, this clause applies to the States as a whole and not the People.
     
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    Billwald favors killing children rather than "paying for them." That's been made clear by his posts.

    I don't know why he's allowed here.
     
  17. rbell

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    Put up or shut up, Bill: Do you think abortion is evil?
     
  18. billwald

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    >The General Welfare clause applies to the States of the Union, not to the People.

    Then we have a communist constitution - government rights are superior to personal rights except where noted in the bill of Rights - exactly as the anti-federalists predicted.

    [rule number 2 was violated rule violations this blatant deserve a short vacation after which billwald can continue to post if the rules are upheld. This has been approved by an administrator and has gone above me (a moderator).]
     
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    (Double post-ignore)
     
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    I have multiple female family members who have suffered miscarriages who you should try telling that to.

    Pray tell, exactly why is it ok in the third but not in the first? Is the second trimester a grey area for you? What does the developmental age of the preborn child have to do with it? Is it not endowed with a soul until it is born?

    If you seriously believe that the trimester determines the morality, then I would suggest that you need to check to see if your opinions are acceptable to Christ. I doubt He would approve.

    Sounds tough, but the it is with no malice.
     
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