Why don't the MV's keep their principle, the Oldest the Best?

My past posts answered this question many times.

 

NOT QUITE!

On 3/26/2006 you posted the following:

Did Keith check W/H's heretical comments in their books as seen below? Overlook....Shhh, shhh, shhh?

Hort denied that Christ is GOD in his book, page 5.

Westcott denied that Christ made known GOD in his book, page 15.

Westcott denied that Heaven is a place in his book, page 15

Hort denied the Second Coming of Christ in his book, page 44-45.

Westcott denied Christ's preexistence in his book, page 13.

And more.... That is enough.

To which Forever Settled In Heaven replied:

there's a long discussion here: http://www.sharperiron.org/showthrea...gart#post34089

n the Westcott Hort Resource Centre is easily available at http://www.westcotthort.com

And rsr replied:

Askjo, are you still repeating slander after you have been told the truth many, many times?

Shame.

(The charges that Westcott denied the deity of Christ and the pre-existence of the Word are easily refuted by anyone who come across his work in a form that hasn't been heavily edited by critics.)

James May has written ably of Westcott's theology, which he considered flawed, but not in the ways KJOists suggest.

http://kjvonly.org/james/index_james.html

Yet you still continue to spread the same lies and deceit after the facts have been pointed out to you.

I doubt that you will ever learn. But I will not stop trying to teach you until you stop spreading untruth.

 

While you may believe that, I have never read any real facts other then just opinion by you or anyone else. If W&H were unbelievers what difference would that make in regards to doing good work? Are there any believers who always tell the truth? I have seen many in business over the years who are good liars and people still follow them. Almost every week we read or hear about pedophiles who were working in churches.

Your argument makes about as much sense as thinking that a home built by a Christian is always better than one built by a non-Christian and that somehow the stamp of Christian means perfect.

 

About as much as solving math problem?

When you read the canon of scripture are you suggesting that TC was not involved?

When will you fly for free across an ocean instead of taking a jet?

What masculine pronoun? Hagion is an adjective.

So the councils which met were heretics and not led by the Holy Spirit?

If the Holy Spirit teaches you everything then how did you learn to read and write. Why did you go to school? I guess you could say that the early church was not following the Holy Spirit because about 98% of them could not read and write.

 

You are absolutely right about it being a childish argument. I did that to expose how silly your holy spirit arguments are. They are the same type charismatics use to defend their Holy Spirit theology of lording it over others and boasting of great things.

What you have failed to recognize is the fact that long before you were born and Jesus came on the scene there were textual critics. Not one of them were Christians! When Jesus was around there was more than one text being used. Which one was of God?

 

Really? Interesting. So you are telling me that the Bible you hold in your hands never made a choice between two variants? Do you even know what a variant is? It strikes me that you may not even know that.

I have never claimed or confessed that. I certainly try to follow him, but find myself failing all too often.

I can’t.

Of course not. He didn’t teach me that. I follow that teaching when I affirm the NT as coming from him.

No it doesn’t.

If you understand what TC is, you will agree with me.

So the Spirit never mentions it, but you feel free to make dogmatic claims about it. HMMMM … Who is not following the Spirit now?

No you don’t. When you say, “Mark 16:9-20 is authentic, and the shorter ending is not, you are practicing TC.”

Again, it strikes me that you have no idea what you are talking about. And bluster about how I am not following the Spirit won’t change that.

So if the Holy Spirit teaches me that Mark 16:9-20 is not from him, will you accept that? If you do not accept that, how can you resist the teaching of the Spirit?

I hardly ever think about.

Yes I did. You just disagreed.

No. This doesn’t make any sense.

I actually do. My Greek is certainly not as good as my Hebrew, which I read daily. But I can get around in Greek.

I didn’t cite them as supporting the omission. I cited them as evidence of the masculine pronoun with the neuter noun.

It is one of the arguments that I. Howard Marshall (a world renowned Greek scholar) makes in his 1 John commentary. I can’t imagine you can call him a “Greek-Illiterate.”

It may be wrong to omit it, but not on the basis of your argument.

How do you know I am not following the Holy Spirit? Because I don’t agree with you? What if you have wrongly judged the Spirit? This is part of the problem. You simply do not even understand what you are saying. You are claiming the Spirit for your position, but the Spirit has said that in his inspired word, and he hasn’t said that to us.

I honestly believe I am following the Spirit. I could be wrong because I am fallible. Here’s what I know: The Spirit did not see fit to include this teaching of yours in the only revelation that He inspired. And that is what I will answer for.

 

IMO, this quote is questioning the salvation of others, and should be retracted.

Not very mature...

 

I'm not sure that the salvation of any other is necessarily being questioned here, but who is or is not being led by the Holy Spirit in one's 'Christian walk' certainly is, IMO.

Ed

 

Again, you simply don’t know what you are talking about. TC takes place any time you have to decide between two or more variants. Textual criticism is “the investigation of the text of the Old and New Testaments with the aim of setting forth the authentic readings of the autrographs, as against spurious readings which have found their way into some manuscripts, either from copyists’ errors or by design” (Alan Cairns, Dictionary of Theology Terms, p. 371).
Take for instance Mark 16:9-20. Some say it should not be there. You believe it should be. You are practicing textual criticism by saying “That’s authentic.”

I don’t think I claimed that, at least as you are presenting it here. I claimed that the Spirit does not give any of us infallible revelation about textual variants. So while you may strongly believe that a passage the ending of Mark is authentic, the Holy Spirit has not infallibly told you that, and there may be others who disagree with good reason.

Perhaps. But perhaps not. This is part of the problem you don’t get. You don’t understand that if Mark 16:9-20 is not authentic, it didn’t exist until later.

If you define biblical discernment properly, then yes.

Then show me biblical proof that Mark 16:9-20 is authentic. Show me where the Spirit said that, not Erasmus, or the Vulgate, or some church father, or some yo-yo with an internet site.

Yes, as should you.

No I didn’t. The fact that one verse doesn’t apply to me or you doesn’t mean I am not following the Spirit.

No, I didn’t say anything of the sort. The fact that one verse doesn’t apply to me doesn’t say anything about any other verse or teaching. You have a classic example of right doctrine from the wrong text. The Holy Spirit can lead us to truth as 1 John says. John 14:26 simply doesn’t say that to us.

I am sure I probably know better than you do.

But what if the Spirit told me that those 617 manuscripts are wrong. They were copied by people trying to corrupt the text. How can you disagree? You don’t know what the Spirit told me. You may be like the king of Israel in 1 Kings 22, believing a lying spirit.

You are simply wrong on this. As a translator, you should know more Greek than you apparently do. While the general rule is that the pronoun agrees with its antecedent, that is not always the case.

I do. I simply don’t consider it infallible. The Spirit works through means.

Isaiah 7 says nothing about TC or modern versions. This is a gross misuse of Scripture and a violation of the third commandment.

Trust me, they can. If you don’t think they can, then you have never seriously talked to one.

The RCC is unquestionably unbiblical, but this is simply not true.

Interesting. You claim the minority texts are wrong, claiming that since 617 mss of Mark include the longer ending it must be authentic. Yet the variant you are arguing for in 1 John 5 is a minority variant, and Acts 8:37 is also a minority variant. The Majority Text includes neither. So if the minority are wrong, why are you arguing for them?

The arguments are you making would be laughable it if weren’t so serious. You are blatantly attacking the Word of God, and saying things about it that simply aren’t true. It is theologically and intellecutally bankrupt. And the scary thing is that you don't get it. You don't understand that.

 

Yes, we are. We object to stuff that is said in opposition to the Bible truth, and therefore, we would like for you to stop saying it.

 

There are numerous things which are not mentioned. To make an argument from absence is not valid.

That is not true. My point is that God uses non-Christians to do His work too. A skilled carpenter can build a nice home. It does not matter if he is a Christian or not. It matters if he is skilled enough to do the work. Textual critics do not have to be Christians to be skiled in textual criticism and languages.

Biblical discernment is so different from textual criticism in that it can be compared to the difference between testing the spirits and solving a math problem.

 

I have some beach front property in Tennessee for sale if your interested? :thumbs:

 

No doubt, you must be referring to some 'riverfront' "beach front property" for sale on the BB, 'cause I have 'advertised' and offered genuine "lovely Oceanfront Property in KY" several times on the Board for more than three years.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=41006&postcount=8

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=841409&postcount=4

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1060092&postcount=4

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1271980&postcount=157

I just have not 'advertised' this for the last several mos. considering the Real Estate market has 'nose-dived' recently.

However, I will happily now offer it again, if one wishes to use some of their 'government bailout "stimulus"' and help out the economy.
In fact, I might even offer them a better deal than I would have previously.

Ed