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That's definitely part of it. Also I think the majority of the anti-LS people are getting bad information form bad secondary sources. They'd rather hear someone they already know and like tear down mean and teaching they don't understand, than try to understand it themselves from primary sources. Like an atheist going to Bill Maher to understand Christianity...

I think he misunderstood what you said.

 

That is a great quote. I think half the people here ought to read that book just to actually learn what LS teaches! The bolded above is something the anti-LS people REALLY need to understand.

 

There are people on this board -- on this thread! -- that deny progressive sanctification. Their view is, severe sin is indicative of "failed conversion." :BangHead:

 

Been there! PM me with your address when you're ready to read it and I'll send you a copy, if you desire.

Rob

 

This is the most important sentence in that statement, and what it is all about.

Free Grace believers depend on scripture and God's promises for assurance. I came to Jesus in my heart and called upon him to save me, therefore I can claim many direct promises made in scriptures such as John 6:37 and Romans 10:13;

Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Free Grace persons like me will claim these and other verses as scriptural proof we are saved. I know that in my heart I came to Jesus and sincerely called upon him to save me, and so I can claim the direct promises of God in scripture as my assurance of salvation.

As Curtis Hutson used to say, "If I am not saved, God will lose more than me. I will simply lose my soul, but God will lose his integrity".

I am not depending on my performance or faithfulness to Jesus as my security and assurance of salvation, I am completely depending on Jesus's perfect faithfulness to me to keep his promise to save me if I came to him.

Lordship Salvation is the exact opposite, it expects faithfulness from the believer as his security and assurance of salvation. Unless he is doing a reasonable job of obeying Jesus, he can have no assurance or guarantee of salvation. The problem is, no Lordship Salvation person can tell you how obedient you must be to prove you are saved.

But they are not the same as that author seemed to argue. Free Grace and Lordship Salvation are direct opposites.

Free Grace- depends on Jesus's faithfulness

Lordship Salvation - depends on the believer's faithfulness.

One is scriptural, one is not.

 

Winman

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This is a false carnal security-
and you are in direct opposition to scripture;

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

a horrible statement, vain boasting...

he can have no assurance , unless these fruits are in evidence...Peter warns in the highlighted portions that these were necessary for assurance.

no...not as his security...nope

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Peter does in 2 pet 1

wrong again:thumbs:

 

Well, let's hope you are faithful enough Iconoclast. :wavey:

 

6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:thumbsup:

 

You do not understand the topic biblically. No one denies progressive sanctification at all......they just understand the necessity of the progress part of it Dconn....:laugh::laugh:

 

That's Free Grace, that's saying the Lord is faithful. Lordship Salvation demands that you be faithful. Good luck.

 

That is what you cannot grasp...both are true for a biblical Christian, and unless both are true...the person is only a carnal professor....:wavey:

 

Wow, Iconoclast has suddenly become a synergist. :laugh:

Well, let's hope you can endure.

 

No...just believe what the bible says on it;

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

We work out, what God has worked in us.....we are law keepers:thumbs::wavey: let me know if you see this..:laugh:

or do you need larger print...lol

 

At least you are honest enough to admit you are WORKING for your salvation.

Good luck, hope you make it.

 

You've taken Philippians 1:6 so far out of context that it's not even funny.

Would you believe Paul was talking about money there?