Why is our government allowing the President of Iran in this country?

I bet if Ahmadinejad was taken out, our military casualties would drop substantially.

Hey, war stinks.

 

And I would bet that you would be wrong.

 

Apparently Saddams father or uncle once said, there are 3 thngs that should not exist, Jews, Persians and flies.

I will agree about the flies.

The hate out that way is unbelievable.

 

Artistically and powerfully stated.

I have no problem with the visit itself. I have nothing but problems with one red cent being spent on the guy's security detail. Of course, if he wasn't getting tax payer funded protection I'm sure he wouldn't be coming, so in theory I'm opposed to the visit as such.

 

My view of the Iranian madman: I don't know how much of an administrator he is...but he is a powerful (albeit evil) communicator, and it seems that some of his people derive great motivation from him.

It would seem that if he were no longer in the picture (deposed, executed, exiled, etc.), the motivation and passion from his rants would translate into a less motivated fringe element...the selfsame element causing us grief in Iraq (either directly, or through training, financing, and recruitment).

 

Arrest him as a hostage as they did to the US Diplomats un Tehran before.

 

I hope we never sink to the level of the Iranian crazies in '79. America should not torture, nor take hostages.

 

If the UN is going to be in New York then you have to let the leaders of foreign nations in to speak no matter who they are unless we are at war with them.

Freedom of speech is a basic American right and a value. Let him come here and say what he has to say in the naked light of day. As for Columbia U, they are letting him speak, but, as I understand it, he has to take questions from the students. I doubt the students there will give him any break at all.

With all of that said, I am glad they did NOT let him go to Ground Zero. He has no business getting a photo op there which he can use for propaganda.

 

I don't give them that much credit. I hope I'm wrong.

 

No, we don't.

Freedom of speech is guaranteed for American Citizens...not foreign despots. He has no Constitutional guarantees.

 

Actually this is not true. Nowhere are Constitutional rights deemed to be just for citizens. Everyone has the right to freedom of speech. Show me any language limiting this.

The Constitution does not limit such. It also doesn't guarantee our freedoms; rather it spells out what they are. Any foreign national within the jurisdiction of the US has the same protections of the Constitution as any citizen.

Even our Declaration of Independence holds this position..."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Edited to add clarification: The rights I speak of are things like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, rights to be free from unreasonable search & seizure, etc. Non-citizes of course, may be detained for being in the country illegally, which doesn't apply to citizens. The Bush Administration and the Do-Nothing Congress have been busy infringing the rights of citizens and aliens alike.

 

The Supreme Court has recently upheld that non-citizens may have limitations of said freedoms:

In 1990, the Supreme Court said cases establishing constitutional protections extended to aliens “are constitutional decisions of this Court expressly according differing protection to aliens than to citizens, based on our conclusion that the particular provisions in question were not intended to extend to aliens in the same degree as to citizens” (United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259).

SOURCE

 

The case you cite was a mixed bag for the court, but the 6 concurring justices were dealing with search & seizure in a foreign nation, and authorized by that foreign government.

My own view is that the court erred on this one, but it doesn't negate the basic human rights of aliens in the U.S.

 

In related news...Columbia's dean admits that he would have invited Hitler to speak at his college.

Good grief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmEGsOkEVc

 

He also said that he would not have invited Hitler during a time of war.

One would think that the followers of the Prince of Prince would be the first to want to talk and the last to want to shut other people up or take up the sword.

 

There are much nicer things being said about this ruthless dictator than was said about Jerry Falwell. Even Ian Paisley was banned from entering the U.S. The Church will soon pay for this "evil is good", "good is evil" attitude.

 

Good Point!:thumbs:

 

Baloney. Ahmadinejad is one of the most reviled me in the press - printed, televised, and on the Internet. He is even more reviled than I am by "conservatives" posting on this board.

 

Ken I don't revile you. You seem to be agood guy. But your positions need a great deal of work.

Where are all these press writings showing how reviled he is?