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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by delizzle, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
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    I would venture to say there is as much truth there as in Calvinism.
     
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    Let's see.

    Mankind is fallen.
    Mankind is unworthy to save himself.
    Christ died to redeem His sheep.
    God's Grace is sufficient.
    God's sheep are protected and preserved into the say of judgment.

    None of that is true?

    If I had to choose between your denial of the above and the Charismatic/Pentecostal nonsense I would choose the latter. :(
     
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  3. Yeshua1

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    So you would see a group that teaches extra biblcal revealtions, modern day Apostles/Prophets, deny full inspiration, and elevates man to being a little god is equal to Calvinism?
     
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    Last I checked, the Pentecostal church and many others believed all you listed too. The only difference is that Calvinists believe the Gospel is only for the "elect".

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    Calvinists proclaim the gospel promiscuously to ALL men, to the ends of the Earth.
     
  6. Reynolds

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    Yep.
     
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    Arminians believe the same when speaking in terms as general as you are using.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Who told you that? What utter nonsense!
     
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    Antisemitism :

    A Response To Questions and Objections of a Certain Jew By John Calvin

    "Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone."

    Excerpts from "Vom Schem Hamphoras und vom Geschlecht Christi," By Martin Luther and an excerpt from "Ad Quaelstiones et Objecta Juaei Cuiusdam Responsio," by John Calvin; The Jew in Christian Theology, Gerhard Falk, McFarland and Company, Inc., Jefferson, NC and London, 1931

    As a Christian, I see no advantage to identifying with the teachings of any "reformer" regarding the fundamentals of my faith. While Calvin's theology might be Biblical, his antisemitism is not.

    Gen 12:3 KJV - And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
     
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    What will God do to the Jews who've rejected His Son?
     
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    I figured something was up with you, and was getting worried. Hope all is well, or at least better.
     
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    Wesley,

    I stopped posting in this thread because it started getting silly but I cannot let your post go without a response.

    First, all of us need to derive our theology from our conviction on what scripture teaches. Once we place our eyes on men we have made a compromise that will always lead to disappointment. Certainly, we should obey Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:1 when he wrote, "Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ." The problem is that we still have abiding sin and fail to follow Christ as we ought. For that reason, we must follow the example of the Bereans and check the scriptures diligently.

    The only advantage we have in following any teaching is whether that teaching is biblical. You said so yourself when you wrote, "While Calvin's theology might be Biblical, his antisemitism is not." If a teaching is Biblical, then it is Biblical. While I share Calvin's conviction on predestination and election, I do not share all his personal views nor his views on ecclesiology and baptism. For that matter, I am more in disagreement with Luther than Calvin. What will successive generations say about you and me? Will they see the rightness of our beliefs or will those beliefs be obscured by the reputation of our character? Hard question, is it not?

    I am Reformed in most of my theology, not because of men but because I believe my theology is Biblical. If some of the early proponents of Reformed theology were wrong in their words and actions, it does not alter Biblical truth. It might make them of suspect character or even hypocrites, but I still have an obligation to believe the truth apart from the man.

    Blessings.
     
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    Hello WB,
    The teachings belong to Jesus and the Apostles.
    Reformers and Puritans have also read the things that we read in our bibles.Their personal issues and attitudes have past on with them.
    to their own master they stand or fall and have already been judged as In Christ or In Adam. Whatever their failings , that does not change the scriptural truth.
     
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    I agree the scripture says what it says(not agreeing to your interpretation of it)and Calvin was merely a man who interpreted scripture. I do believe that judging from Calvin's many moral shortcomings and other gross errors he made in scriptural interpretation, I would name the "ism" I defend something else. Even though many of you say "reformed," you will defend "Calvinism" in an instant. I believe the sub forum even has Calvin in its title.
    Calvin definitely would not make a good Southern Baptist.
     
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    Even though reformed/Calvinism denies any of that heritical/false doctrine beliefs of theirs?
     
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    Why do we preach it to all then?
     
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    My Theology is based upon the scriptures alone, and while appreciate and have learned from Calvin and others, only the Bible is an infallible source for doctrines!
     
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    Reynolds,
    good

    okay...you cannot yet
    he was just a man, however not many have attempt to write as much as he did...

    Not sure what you mean...you say many...could you list 5 examples?
    I will start it for you;
    1] how he was involved with Servetus
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    Your statement indicates you have truth , if he held "gross errors"

    again...could you offer 5 or ten errors? so we know what you mean...

     
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    But according to the Calvinist doctrine of Limited Atonement (the "L" in T.U.L.I.P) Jesus didn't die for everyone, just the elect. So unless you are the "elect" the Gospel is not meant for them. Another note, if Calvinism is true, why share the Gospel at all? Wouldn't the elect come strolling in the church doors regardless of ever hearing the Gospel? Or is God now dependant on man to share the Gospel to someone in order for them to get saved?

    Btw...i am going to be unavailable for responses for the next couple weeks because I will be in a field exercise in the desert.

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