Featured Why Not More Doctrinal Unity Among Greek Students

I am not sure what you believe about the providence of God. I believe God has a perfect will but he deals with men who have their own wills that often times does not line up with his. For instance, it was the will of God to prepare for the establishment of his kingdom on the earth at his first coming, but his kingdom would be established on righteous principles of rule. Jesus said that his kingdom was at hand and he said it to the nation to whom he had made his promises of a perfect king and an everlasting reign over the earth. His kingdom is by invitation and only those who accept his Lordship can be in it and these subjects must be righteous. This is the reason Jesus Christ must die and overcome death. It is so his very Spirit (he is an omnipresent person) who empowered him over sin could be the power of those who receives his rule. This requires that his same Spirit be in them since the flesh of man is weak and cannot attain to this perfect righteousness on their own power and if they could, they could not maintain it. Therefore, it requires a new birth of his subjects previous to the establishment of his earthly rule. Jesus told Nicodemus that a man (Israel collectively, figuratively speaking see Ex 4) must be born again before he could enter into his kingdom.

Now, I could take the remainder of my post down different legs of this truth but since we are dealing with languages we will go down that one. All the OT prophecies concerning his establishing his kingdom could have and would have taken place within his own generation, which Moses said in Psa 90:10 is 70 years. Israel would have had to do nothing but repent and believe in him for this to happen. The Romans would have fulfilled the end times prophecies. This can be proven from the scriptures. The following prophecy would have come to pass.

Zephaniah 3:9
For then will I turn to the people (of Israel) a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.

It should be at least mildly interesting to folks that Judah lost her national identity and was buried as a people in the graveyard of the nations about 73 1/2 years after the birth of Jesus Christ and 40 years after the resurrection of Christ (see He 3 now) and the epistle to the Hebrews was looking to an "end" of something during the last 40 years when the door of possibility was still open to them. Jews are as gentiles when out of their land and cut off from their covenants. Therefore, from 70 AD the church of Jesus Christ took on a gentile personality and Christ will one day marry his gentile bride that God, the Holy Spirit, is forming from the opened side of the last Adam even as we speak.

This pure language is Hebrew but one must think more in terms that all the tribes of Israel will be speaking the same language rather than as it is
now when they are scattered into all the nations and speak the languages of gentiles. A foreshadowing of this pure language was given at the festival of Pentecost, fifty days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The men from 17 different nations heard the preachers when the Spirit was poured out on Israel. All of them heard clearly what was being preached. The glory was that out of millions who heard, some 8000 Jews were saved and received the Holy Ghost but the tragedy of it was that only about 8000 were saved. Eight thousand saved Jews out of a million is another way to define rejection of Christ by Israel. But the official rejection was 7 years later in the same town when the rulers rejected the gospel of Christ and killed Stephen, the preacher. God in his providence began preparing a man, Saul, whom he would save and pivot to the gentiles with his gospel.This is the reason the NT was written in Greek instead of Hebrew. His people would be in those nations speaking that language because of their unbelief. There is still a witness from God to them and us gentiles.

All the promises in the NT are new promises and are not found in the OT. God calls these "mysteries of God" and are specific to the church of Jesus Christ, which is his body and his bride in the same way Eve was formed from Adam's side by God and presented to Adam as his wife and they became one.That is the theology of Ephesians
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

I am talking about the providence of God when his perfect will for men is rejected and discarded by hardened and calloused sinners. When this occurs, and God takes a different direction to accomplish his purpose, I call it a pivot point. Politics and power structures and even languages change. But God does not change. He has always pivoted when he knows the string has run out. It does not surprise me that he pivoted in 1611 with his English bible in preparation for the establishing of the greatest missionary sending and free nation ever on the earth, the USA. Legions of devils and men they control and influence have opposed this great plan of God until the predicted end times apostasy is upon us and we are now seeing God preparing to pivot once again. This next pivot will complete the prophecies to Israel in the OT.

 

Respectfully, if the philosophy that you display here and your hysteria against the KJV only position is an indication of what you have learned about God in the pre 1611 translations, you are the best evidence one could hope for to prove that we needed the KJV. Imagine having all the Christians in the world thinking like you.

Do you really believe that God calls one subject preachers? I don't. I have never known you addressing any other subject.

 

Your posts are proof of my charge of hysteria. You read the title of my op and have no answer for it. You know that there are more dispensational and fundamental bible believers who are grammatical literalists who are KJV only than Hebrew and Greek speakers. Many, if not most, students of the Greek and Hebrew who become leaders in churches and of religious movements do not believe a word of the OT and cannot follow context, logic, and reason from the scriptures.

We have been warned about this in 1 Cor 1-3.

My motto is, "Believe The Words."

Would you classify yourself as a Fundamentalist Baptist who believes in the pre-trib gathering of the church of Jesus Christ to heaven and the pre-mil coming of Jesus Christ to rule and reign on the earth for a thousand years and that a man has soul liberty that includes your will to accept or reject Jesus Christ as your personal savior from the penalty of sin, which is the second death in the lake of fire described in Rev 20?

 

You have said for years what the KJV does not teach. Now, please tell us what it does teach. You have not done that.

What do you think happens to a man who believes every word in his KJV?

My thread just asks the question why there is not more doctrinal agreement between Greek students. Do you have an opinion?

Do you believe that salvation comes from believing a bible? Do you think Paul"s sermon to the Athenians in Acts 17 yielded any true conversions? If your answer is yes, did he have a copy of the scriptures or did he quote a single verse of scripture in his message to them? The answer is no. Paul preached the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and salvation through him. Repentance toward God and faith in Jesus Christ was not an option for salvation, but it was a command to all men. Instead of quoting a bible Paul quoted their own authors. Some people in that crowd got saved that day. This teaches us that bibles are for saved people so they can not only learn the words of God but they can also learn the ways of God. Israel in the wilderness under Moses knew the words of God but failed to get into the promised land because they did not know the ways of God.

Having all these English bibles is a violation of the ways of God and these Greek speakers who promote this philosophy and give us a never ending string of new translations are sowing confusion and are violating the ways of God. They do not have an advantage over a student of the KJV who believes the words and learns God's ways. The NIV confuses the roles of men and women as an example of perverting. Who is warning against that? Answer: KJV only believers.

Is that it? That can mean anything nowadays.

De 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Ps 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
10 Forty years long was I grieved with [this] generation, and said, It [is] a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

But, John 1 says it is the will of God that a sinner become a child of God by faith.

Here is a truth:

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

All that the passage you are referring to in John 1 means is the above. Salvation is God's idea and it is his plan. How men receive it is by faith. That is God's idea as well. Salvation is defined in scripture as receiving the Spirit of Christ into the heart by faith in what God says about him. The previous verse in John 1 says that life was in Jesus and he poured out his life, his Spirit, on the cross
John 19:34
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

and God sends his life into the world from heaven 50 days after the resurrection to the nation of Israel. It, he, must be in a man for him to live. The analogy is water that is required by every living thing on the earth to survive. Water is everywhere on the earth in such abundance that every one and every living entity can drink, but no matter how much there is in the world, it must be ingested if it brings life.

We have 4000 years of recorded history that proves John 1:14. Nobody was saved in the OT as the NT describes salvation. That is not to say that men in the OT were not justified by their faith in what God said to them, but no one had their sins washed away and they did not have eternal life as God defines eternal life, the Spirit of Christ and of God. So, with that in mind let us review John 1.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. ( How many men? - we must have a preacher - it is the way of God)

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth (present tense) every man that cometh into the world. (how many men? - world = kosmos)

11 He came unto his own (Israel), and his own received him not. (history proves this)
12 But as many as received him (past tense), to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

This is written in retrospect. It is past tense verbs because John wrote this many years after he had observed the entire ministry of Jesus Christ and the inclusion and salvation of gentiles as well. He looked back over the whole beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ and he is the only apostle who did. This is the wisdom of God.

I believe there is not a reformed believer alive today who will believe that the only way a man can have eternal life is to have Jesus Christ living in them by exercising his own will to receive him by faith after hearing about him. Jesus lives in us now in the same person as lived, and lives, in his body, the Spirit of God. This is the true God and eternal life. It is what the NT is all about. Sinners must repent of their sins and receive him by faith. God does not tell us himself about this wonderful salvation but has commissioned men who have been saved to tell other men about his gospel. Those who believe it will be given the Spirit, who is Jesus Christ and God the Father, and this puts the trinity in us and because God is forming a body for Jesus Christ in this age, it puts us in Christ and we become one with God. Read Eph 4 now.

Ephesians 3:17
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

There is the trinity dwelling in the body of the believer.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Above is the trinity in the believer, making us one with him.

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
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Back to the water.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified)

One must drink the water but who may drink?

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

No man could get saved until God opened the fountain, but then he explains who may drink. It is whosoever WILL

Hallelujah and praise our God. This lets me in and it lets you in too, if you believe.