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Will Judas be in heaven?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Rooster, Aug 22, 2004.

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  1. Yes

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  2. Its possible, we will find out in Glory

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  3. I find it hard to belive, but we will find out in Glory

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  1. Rooster

    Rooster New Member

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    Many Christians that I have talked to will say that Judas will not be in Heaven based on Matthew 26:24, but based on Matthew 19:28 Jesus tells his 12 Diciples that they will sit upon 12 thrones, judgeing the 12 tribes of Israel.
     
  2. Major B

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    The 12th apostle is one of the two fellows mentioned before. You pick. Judas was a devil from the beginning.

    1 Cor 15:8-11 "Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed."


    Acts 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said,
    16 "Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus;
    17 "for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry."
    18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.
    19 And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.)
    20 "For it is written in the book of Psalms: 'Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it'; and, 'Let another take his office.'
    21 "Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
    22 "beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."
    23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
    24 And they prayed and said, "You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen
    25 "to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place."
    26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
     
  3. Marcia

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    Judas is called a "son of perdition" by Jesus in John 17.12. He cannot be saved if Jesus Himself calls him that. Also, Satan entered Judas the night Judas betrayed Christ. There is no indication he repented and no indication he was forgiven.

    Jesus said in Matt 19.28 that those of him who followed him would sit upon the 12 thrones:
    Matthias was chosen to replace Judas from among those who had been with Jesus from the beginning. Therefore, when Jesus said what he did in Matthew 19, he was speaking to a group that included Matthias. He was speaking to "disciples" which included many people, and Matthias was undoubtedly among them.

     
  4. Rooster

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    hhhmmmmm, thanks for the education, see what happens when (I) don't put the rest of the story together. Very insightful indeed. With the Biblical proof in front of me, I would have to vote 'no' too. [​IMG] ;)
     
  5. Watchman

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    John 17:12 settles it for me:
    "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled."
    None of them is lost EXCEPT...
    To me, that's that.
     
  6. Johnv

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    I can find no scripture where Judas is called that by name.

    The bottom line is, the Bible is silent on the topic of Judas' eternal salvation, so it's not for us to know for certain. We won't know until we're with the Lord, and even then, we don't know if we'll know such things.
     
  7. ScottEmerson

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    Judas died before Christ, so would he not be under the old covenant? Now we open up a whole can of worms, eh?
     
  8. AVL1984

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    Not necessarily. If Christ says that Judas was the "son of perdition", I think that's pretty irrefutable evidence that he's not in Heaven. John 17:12 states that none was lost but Judas. Another took his place as apostle after his death.

    AVL1984
     
  9. Shammai

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    Naw, 'Cuz see...
     
  10. AVL1984

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    Shammai, you are in Cookeville? I'm in Murfreesboro!

    You know, I didn't even think of that verse! I'm glad you brought it into the discussion.

    AVL1984
     
  11. GODzThunder

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    Acts 1:25
    That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

    What is the meaning of this verse? What is Judas' own place? This is the final testimony of the life, and death, of Judas. The final words are ones that sum an entire life. Judas' final eulogy was that he fell by transgression and went to his own place, what does this mean?
     
  12. Dr. Bob

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    Hell. Actually Hades but that was his place. I would like to think I'd wait to see who ended up there, but believe the evidence is overwhelming that Judas' place is hell.

    Excellent verses (in the context, the son of perdition is refering to the one who betrays Jesus so that is clearly a reference to Judas) and appreciate the good instruction on this thread.
     
  13. Marcia

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    I can find no scripture where Judas is called that by name.

    The bottom line is, the Bible is silent on the topic of Judas' eternal salvation, so it's not for us to know for certain. We won't know until we're with the Lord, and even then, we don't know if we'll know such things.
    </font>[/QUOTE]John, I guess you didn't check the KJV, the NKJV, or the NASB, which all have "son of perdition" in this verse. I didn't make it up, you know. Here's how 3 other versions say it:

    I don't think "son of perdition" or "son of destruction" imply a rosy outlook for Judas. Neither does Jesus' statement that Judas was "lost." Nor does the statement that it would have better for Judas not to have been born.

    I think the evidence strongly supports Judas as not having been saved, and I think it's okay to say that since we are basing it on statements in the Bible itself.
     
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