women preachers

[Matt Black]

Daniel David and RaptureReady, I ask again: why does Paul use 'authentein' and not'exousia' here?

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[RaptureReady]

I don't know brother. I do not Greek or Hebrew, so I cannot give you a good answer. But, whatever the Bible says, I believe it.

 

[Matt Black]

OK, you believe what the Bible says; so do I. My question is therefore: what does the Bible say here, if it says 'authentein' and not 'exousia'?

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[go2church]

Shamefully, there are at least two SBC churches here in the state with women pastors---and the state convention isn't making a move to give them the "boot"---

How many churches are there in Mississippi and your worried about two(probably small) churches in the entire state? All this fuss and reality of the situation is that there are simply not very many baptist pastors that are women. IMO, It really shouldn't occupy all the time that it does

 

[blackbird]

A little leaven leavens the whole lump!

 

[rufus]

Originally posted by rufus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Heavenbound01:

Women should stay out of the pulpit, my friend! I Timothy 3! </font>[/QUOTE]What don't we understand about I Timothy 3?

 

[blackbird]

What don't we understand, Bro Rufus?? Simply this---the subordination of church order---the chapter and texts have nothing to do with sexuality or male chauvinism---but simple church order! Expounded upon correctly----and there is not a problem in the world in preaching it if women are spirit filled in receiving it!

 

[rufus]

Originally posted by blackbird:
What don't we understand, Bro Rufus??

Do you understand that the woman CANNOT be the husband of ONE WIFE?

And do you understand I Timothy 2:9-15?

 

[rufus]

It doesn't appear that Paul expressly forbade women from the pulpit in any of his writings.

Have you read Paul's writings, good sir?

 

[Charles Meadows]

Notice the wording - husband of one wife. This is interesting. He is obviously not make a direct statement that women cannot be pastors - rather he is giving a description of the office holder - and just assuming it would be a male.

Thus I think we get the picture that pastorship is a male job - but he doesn't absolutely forbid women. This is perhaps because he just took for granted that we all realized it was a male-only job. Any way you slice it however Paul is not pro-female pastor.

 

[blackbird]

Rufus---I'm with ya, Brother! 1Timothy 2: 11-15??? Anyway you slice the pie---you still come up with the truth from the Truth that women are not to be pastors. As I see the pie---women are forbidden from pastoring churches.

 

[mioque]

"Any way you slice it however Paul is not pro-female pastor. "
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Absolutely, he may however have been pro-female deacon.

 

[blackbird]

Mioque---that just settles the whole issue then, doesn't it??? A Deacon in the deck of cards always "trumps" a Pastor!! Ahhh, yes! The Preacher's "Supervisor"

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by rufus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackbird:
What don't we understand, Bro Rufus??

Do you understand that the woman CANNOT be the husband of ONE WIFE?

And do you understand I Timothy 2:9-15?

</font>[/QUOTE]See my post in the Theology Board under that Scripture for my understanding of it

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[blackbird]

Yes, Sir Ree! I DO understand 1Timothy 2:9-15!! And there are a lot of women who are openly, diliberately disobeying what Jesus is saying in those verses, don't you think???

A woman who says "Yea, I got the call from God to preach!"----just lied to herself! She just broke God's chain of order---just like Eve did in the Garden

 

[Matt Black]

Then come and join us on the other thread as well!

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[blackbird]

OK! If thats what you want! But I'll tell you from the "Get Go" that any woman pastoring a church may do so---but she needs to understand that her church is right on the other side of the wall from the Kingdom of God---she can "bang away" all she wants but if you look inside the vault box of blessings from God---it'll be void(empty).

 

[Matt Black]

Only if you subscribe to a particular exegesis of I Tim 2:9-15

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[blackbird]

And what might the "particular" be---no doubt slanted toward the Liberal view where its alright for the woman to be the "man in the church" if she wants to be??

Your buddy,
Blackbird

 

[Matt Black]

Why is that liberal? It is only liberal if the product of higher critical scholarship, to which I certainly do no subscribe. But sound exegesis is a vital conservative tool in Biblical interpretation. We are talking about making scripture shape our opinions, not letting our opinions, whether conservative or liberal, shape scripture.

Yours in Christ

Matt