Featured Worship leader

It’s quite a contradictory list you’ve made.

It seem that you want the church to have standards but don’t want the standard to be so high that the person chosen stands out in any way.

Problem solved:

Get rid of the worship leaders

… and get rid of those un-ordained church secretaries and church janitors and too.

Those church secretaries are know-it-all's anyway.​

Biblical standards for a worship leader

• A Godly man between the ages of 32 and 50 (not too young, not too old)
• Approved by the leadership that I approve of
• Absolutely must be able to sing the low notes but with no facial hair
• Athletic between 150 and 175 lbs.
• Only sings the songs I like
• Loves to wave arms in time to music when in front of podium but not during prayer or when sitting or standing in the congregation
• Must own at least 2 suit jackets
• Doesn’t tolerate drums
• Available for every and all services
• Doesn’t accept payment for services rendered
• Oh yeah, and humble

Rob

 

agedman, it would be good to define what is meant by "worship leader". It is not a term our church uses (or an office we have). I would guess in most churches the worship leader or leaders are singers or musicians who lead other singers & musicians and the congregation in the song/music service?

 

Sorry, my sarcasm setting is set on high today.

1. Is worship leader an office? - no, it's a position.

2. If he murders, riots, or kills a minister of God we will discipline him. If he shows a tendency toward becoming the antichrist we will dismiss him.

3. We pick music leaders from those in our small, generally untalented congregation; those with as much ability, desire, and willingness to learn as we can find. The elders/pastors don't have willingness or desire - and their ability to learn musical skills is questionable. Often it's hard to tell if honking geese are flying overhead or if someone left the pastor's mic on accidently.

Biblical song leaders are found in many of the Psalm titles.
The word is also translated: 'choirmaster, song director, director of music, chief musician, conductor'

The word used is distinctly classified along with stonecutters and porters

Solomon made 70,000 of them porters, 80,000 stonecutters in the mountains, and 3,600 supervisors to make the people work. 2 Chronicles 2:18 (CSB)​

4. Different congregations set their own standards.
Do you want to change your congregations standards? I'd suggest you form a committee, develop a budget, and present it at your next members meeting for a vote.

5. A servant is worth their wages. A good worship leader can attract many new worshipers to a congregation - a bad one can erode a congregations numbers.

Rob

 

I don't doubt that is correct at certain points in Baptist history. And yet I expect you would agree with me that "back in the day" is not the standard from which we derive our faith and practice.

Unlike you (if I understand what you are saying) I don't equate singing with preaching. I am a firm supporter and lover of congregational singing. I think it should present the gospel and other biblical truth accurately. But I don't see singing and preaching as the same type of ministry. Singing should be a congregational exercise in which the church worships the Lord, engages their hearts, and speaks to, teaches & admonishes one another (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16).

 

I'd let Ira Sankey be my music minister, song leader, worship leader or whatever he wanted to call himself.

 

Wrong! Wrong ! Wrong! Must have a massive set of drums. It must have 2 kick drums. The drummer has to beat them like he is trying to beat through the heads. Without those drums, I don't like him and am Going to vote ginst him.

 

Where I addend church the 'worship leader' begins the service.

• Worship with voice (Singing)
• Worship in adoration/supplication (Prayer)
• Worship with Word (Preaching)
• Worship with offerings (Giving)

First one up "leads".

Rob

 

I agree that it seems that is the approach of many churches. A recent Gallup poll suggests these churches may be mistaken about what people want.

Sermon Content Is What Appeals Most to Churchgoers

 

TC's excellent summary of biblical warship saved me from producing a lesser effort. What I can say is that, in the 47 years since Christ saved me, none of the churches where I've been a member had a position called worship leader, or a group called a worship team. Most have had choirs and those choirs had directors. Though the intent of the title "worship leader" may be different, the obvious implication is not just that music in church is worship (as it always should be) but that worship is music, which is unbiblically narrow.

"Therefore, the Scriptural qualifications of all and any who stand to deliver the message of God to the people be it musician or preacher should be met."

The above statement, quoted from post #5, would seem to exclude women from participating in music ministry, according to the qualifications in 1 Tim. 3. I am not implying that the one making that post was saying that, or believes that, only taking the sentence to its logical scriptural conclusion.

 

Absolutely Not!

Think about it agedman.

With only an elder/minister delegating worship you have set up a community tabernacle rather than a community church

If an elder is the only one who can lead the congregation into worship...

in the absence of a minister you can’t have church...

…and can’t properly worship.​

• you can’t worship in the sharing of the Word without an elder
• you can’t worship in song
• you can’t worship in prayer
• …or in giving

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You've set up another high priest.
Christians don’t need another high priest to lead us into worship; we have one in our Savor.

The church body has been gifted by the Spirit with everything necessary and beneficial (1 Cor 12:7)

Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different ministries, but the same Lord. And there are different activities, but the same God produces each gift in each person. A manifestation of the Spirit is given to each person for the common good: 1 Corinthians 12:4–7 (CSB)​

You seem to be vesting all the gifts in the body of elders/ministers/priest.

Let the body work in a normal way, let the gifts the Spirit provides be seen and used.

Rob