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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Oct 1, 2020.

  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    then what are you banging on about??? :Frown
     
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    The identity of God. To be God He would be three Persons.
     
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    You would think the law of averages would result in Y1 being on target about 50% of the time. Why he is usually wrong is amazing.
     
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    You have in the OT when THE Angel of the Lord was not God Himself appearing then?
     
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    You must have a reference, you made the claim.
     
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    The first reference to God by Name Genesis 2:4.
    The first reference to "And the Angel of the LORD" Genesis 16:7.
     
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    Yes, this example shows that Yahweh sent the speaker, so here the Father is called Yahweh. Thanks for the enlightenment.
     
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    but the important thing also is, that the Speaker is ALSO Yahweh!
     
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    Usually the Second Person of the Trinity is interacting with humans, and so most of the Yahweh references in scripture refer to God the Son. However, at times, Yahweh is applied to another Person of the Trinity, as shown by SavedbyGrace's reference to Isaiah 48:16. Thus it is wrong to say Yahweh exclusively refers to either God the Son, or to the Trinity. As SavedbyGrace said, it depends, and examples of more than one usage have been cited.
     
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    Which one of those three men was Yahweh and who were the other two and what were there names? Did all three talk with Abraham or was the LORD speaking to Abraham through them and or one of them? It is not real clear to me.

    What about 19:13?
     
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    Every Instance in the OT when it describes THE Angel of the Lord, its God appearing, no mere created angel!
     
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    Once again Y1 has posted a complete and total falsehood.
     
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    Give to us an OT time when the Angel of the Lord was not God!
     
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    When Yahweh is the Speaker, the Hebrew word is just that, Yahweh. Like in 18:1 (and vers. 13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 22, 26 ) in verse 3 (27, 30,,etc) Abraham, not knowning Who his visitors are, uses the Hebrew, Ădônây. In 19:13, both are Yahweh.
     
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    My own personal observation is the reaction of the “angel” when people fall on their face to worship. If a created being, they will not accept the worship and rebuke the person. If God, He will accept the worship.

    Now, people don’t always have enough sense to worship God, at first anyway, so not worshipping doesn’t always indicate anything.

    If I remember correctly, those appearances are called “Christophanies” (unsure the spelling) and are a pre-incarnate appearance of the Eternal Son as either a man or The Angel of the Lord. I believe He identified Himself to Joshua as “The Captain of the Lord’s Hosts” or words to that effect.

    If “The Angel of the Lord” accepts the worship of men, then He is God the Son.

    peace to you
     
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