YHWH ALLAH

The God of Abraham is Jesus!

"Your father, Abraham, rejoiced to see My day; and he saw it, and was Glad. Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."---John 8: 56-58


Halelujah for the Lord Jesus Christ!

Brother David

 

Jacob asked:

Okay, Jacob, now you are switching topics. Before we get to this question, do you admit that the Muslims have the wrong God, that their God is not the God of the Bible?

 

The god that the Muslims pray to is anti-Christ!

 

Yes, Jacob, you are. You started this thread on whether the God of Islam is the God of the Bible. You have not responded to the evidence that has been provided. I would like to know what you think at this point after investing all this time in responding to you here and in the Freemasonry thread on the same topic, even putting in links and quotes from articles for you.

This is not the same thing. The essentials of the faith are the NATURE of God and Jesus. The NATURE of the God of Islam is different from the character and NATURE of the Biblical God.

In the case of those who believe you can lose salvation (and I am not one of them), they still believe that Jesus is the Son of God, in His deity, that Jesus atoned for sins on the cross, and had a bodily resurrection. Those are essentials on the NATURE of Christ and they are in agreement with those. They believe in the who Christ is according the Bible.

They differ on the question of security of salvation but that is not on the essential nature of Christ. Whereas, the God of Islam does not have the same character or nature of the God of the Bible.

 

So it's okay to misunderstand who YHWH is but not to misunderstand the blood of Jesus? That is inconsistent.

You can deny that God is the Father in the Triune Godhead, that God has a Son, and that God offers salvation through Christ, but it's just a "misunderstanding?" I don't think so. It's the wrong God, Jacob.

You have not offered one shred of evidence that the God of Islam is the God of the Bible. You only offer your opinion, based on nothing, that Mohammed had a wrong understanding of God. How do you know that? You didn't know Mohammed. There is no way for you to know that.

OTOH, we know by what Mohammed taught that he did not teach the God of the Bible; therefore, the God of Islam is not the God of the Bible. That is what we go by -- we look at the teachings.

You are just refusing to look at the evidence of the teachings of the two Gods here and see that they are not the same God.

 

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Muslims know about Jesus Christ. They know, for He is one of their prophets. In fact there is more written about Jesus Christ in the Koran than there is about Mohammed. They also know what Christians believe about "their prophet" Jesus Christ, i.e., that He is God. They don't believe that, but they know that we believe that.

The demons are not saved, but they know that Christ is God. And they believe it. They even tremble at the very thought.
Reading through both the gospels and the Book of Acts there are many cases where demons cry out attesting to the deity of Christ.

For example the man in the synagogue who was possessed with an unclean spirit (or a demon).

Mark 1:24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

Before Jesus cast him out, he attested of his deity. Even Satan and his demons believe that Christ is God. They know this fact is true. Their knowledge of it won't get them to heaven of course.

The God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob: Jehovah, is Jesus Christ. He who denies that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, the same is an antichrist. (1John 4:1-4}

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
DHK

 

Jacob, you are in dire need of instruction from the Word of God. Let these verses speak for themselves:

"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
(John3:36)
The result of not believing in the Son? God's wrath.

"He who hates me hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father."
(John 15:23-24)
The result of hating (rejecting) the Son? They hate the Father also.

What you are saying is totally against the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ.

"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth and the life, No one comes to the Father except through Me.
(John 14:6)

 

Rejection of the Son = rejection of the Father = no worship of the same!

Islam god(Allah) is anti-Christ! To be anti-christ = anti-Father! He who denies the Son also denies the Father!

 

Dr. Bob said,

One only needs to look at the thread on freemasonry to see where Jacob is coming from. What a shame that another person is lead away in the darkness of freemasonry. Of course he will deny the influence, but it is clear by what he has said. He needs our prayer that the Holy Spirit would bring him out of the darkness.

Bro Tony

 

I've asked this before: Then why is the same criticism not layed upon the Jews, for they then do not worship God, but worship a false God.

 

Jacob, the Jews at the time of Christ who rejected Christ did not believe in the right God because Jesus told them their father was the devil (see John 8:39-45). So we can see from this that if you reject Christ, your God is not the God of the Bible, the Trinitarian God, but is the devil (even if you don't believe in the devil). It's one or the other.

Yes, YHWH still remains YHWH -- that is not the issue. However, who we believe God to be and who we worship is the issue here. The Muslims are not believing in or worshipping the true God.

But this word takes a singular verb when speaking of God, so it's singular in those cases.

The bottom line, Jacob, is that the God of Islam is not the God of the Bible. It is a false god. I think Freemasonry has confused the issue for you because they try to make the gods of Islam and other religions the same as the Christian God. It's impossible.

 

Yes, the Muslims say their God is the same as the God of Christianity and the Jews but they are wrong. Completely wrong. And there is a difference between someone seeking God and someone who is embracing and living a belief that worships a God who is not the God of the Bible.

Mohammed knew about Christianity when he started Islam. He rejected Christianity and started what eventually became Islam. His god is not real; it is a false god.

When we have clear evidence, such as the teachings of Islam, that their god is not the God of the Bible, we cannot accept the opposite of what the evidence plainly tells us.