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You just can't make this stuff up gang.

Winman

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Hey, why not let Muslims in on the space program?

Just make sure to check their shoes and underwear before you let them aboard. :laugh:
 

Jedi Knight

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Well why be bias and reach out to a false religion? Oh that's right King Obama said "America is not a christian nation".
 

Martin

Active Member
Well why be bias and reach out to a false religion? Oh that's right King Obama said "America is not a christian nation".

America is not a Christian nation because no nation can be Christian. A Christian is a sinner who has repented of their sin and placed their trust in Christ for salvation. No nation can do that. A Christian is an individual, not a nation. All nations/empires that have claimed to be Christian have claimed something they cannot be.

That said, President Obama needs to realize that historically America has been a Christian friendly culture/nation. While that might be changing, there are still large areas of this country where that is true. If he wants to be re-elected, and I must imagine he does, he needs to stop snubbing those areas with this type of silliness. While I understand that NASA, like all organizations, must have an outreach program, it is beyond silly to say that it's number one outreach target is Muslims. NASA needs to go back to its roots and reach out to the children of America. NASA needs to re-inspire a new generation of young people to dream big and reach for the stars (literally). Maybe we do need to return to the Moon? Maybe we should shoot for Mars? Who knows? We need another President Kennedy to challenge America to do great things. NASA needs to stop pushing the Obama Administration's politically correct silliness.
 

Jedi Knight

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America is not a Christian nation because no nation can be Christian. A Christian is a sinner who has repented of their sin and placed their trust in Christ for salvation. No nation can do that. A Christian is an individual, not a nation. All nations/empires that have claimed to be Christian have claimed something they cannot be.

That said, President Obama needs to realize that historically America has been a Christian friendly culture/nation. While that might be changing, there are still large areas of this country where that is true. If he wants to be re-elected, and I must imagine he does, he needs to stop snubbing those areas with this type of silliness. While I understand that NASA, like all organizations, must have an outreach program, it is beyond silly to say that it's number one outreach target is Muslims. NASA needs to go back to its roots and reach out to the children of America. NASA needs to re-inspire a new generation of young people to dream big and reach for the stars (literally). Maybe we do need to return to the Moon? Maybe we should shoot for Mars? Who knows? We need another President Kennedy to challenge America to do great things. NASA needs to stop pushing the Obama Administration's politically correct silliness.

Blessed is the Nation Whose God is the Lord" (Psalm 33:12)
 

windcatcher

New Member
My question is:
We're paying for WHAT?

I just did a search 'muslim contribution engineering' on start page.com. The first link directed me to a site on muslim heitage 1000 years contribution... clicked on link.... and came up with a blank page????? (Probably due to some internet error/ protocol, or other problem in opening in the page.) Nevertheless.... I can't help but wonder amusedly.... if that's a 'omen'.
 

billwald

New Member
Blessed is the Nation Whose God is the Lord" (Psalm 33:12) and that has never happened since Adam got kicked out of the Garden.
 
"In God We Trust" - i wonder what god that might be 'cos it sure ain't the God of Scripture. America's hypocrisy reaches the nostrils of God and it's a putrid stench to Him!

40+ mill babies aborted since Roe vs. Wade??! His precious creatures being tortured and killed without a voice to protest!

Yup, real Christian country you got there!

Oh, i'm a Canadian and we aren't any better as a nation. As a matter of fact, i believe we are further ahead in being more an abomination unto God then the States (for the moment) - we kowtow to Sodomites and God forbid anyone 'offend' the very militant Sodomite population - so small, yet so vocal and powerful. Makes me ashamed of calling myself a Canadian!

Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.



Ray :rolleyes:
 

windcatcher

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Over heard on radio: The new mission of NASA is contained in what the accronym now stands for......

Nurturing Arab Self Awareness




[Caveat: Not all 'arabs' are muslims.... some are Christian and some of other religions. Not all muslims are 'Arabs'. A big example... Iranians are muslim but not 'arabs'..... they are considered "Persians' still to this day by those of Arabian descent.... and are enemies of each other, except in their religion. ...Both are enemies of Isarel and many Arabs (of Saudia Arabia) would be as pleased if both Israel and Iran disappeared off the earth.... the hatred is so bitter from the past.]
 

windcatcher

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NASA... off topic.... US... A Christian Nation?

Well why be bias and reach out to a false religion? Oh that's right King Obama said "America is not a christian nation".


The Treaty of Tripoli:
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Signed and sealed at Tripoli of Barbary the 3d day of Junad in the year of the Hegira 1211— corresponding with the 4th day of November, 1796, by....
....
Signed and sealed at Algiers, the 4th day of Argill, 1211—corresponding with the 3d day of
January, 1797, by......
( ^ For the dates.)
Interesting fact: The 'Treaty' of Tripoli was broken.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.
Poster's Note: Catholic and 'Christian' meant the same to these barbarians. As far as they were concerned the Cursades sponsored by Catholic Church was 'Christian' and infidels to them. They would NEVER have negotiated any treaty with 'Christian' infidels. Since it was the 'government' negotiating.... the country, as a people, was never alluded to as to whether it was or wasn't 'Christian'.
The First Barbary War (1801–1805), also known as the Barbary Coast War or the Tripolitan War, was the first of two wars fought between the United States of America (briefly joined by a small Swedish fleet) and the North African states known collectively as the Barbary States. These were the independent Sultanate of Morocco, and the three Regencies of Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, which were quasi-independent entities nominally belonging to the Ottoman Empire.

Wearied of the blockade and raids, and now under threat of a continued advance on Tripoli proper and a scheme to restore his deposed older brother Hamet Karamanli as ruler, Yussif Karamanli signed a treaty ending hostilities on June 4, 1805.


http://www.afn.org/~govern/Christian_Nation.html
Granted, God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but He is mentioned in every major document leading up to the final wording of the Constitution. For example, Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States Constitution. Its first words were: "For as much as it has pleased the almighty God by the wise disposition of His Divine Providence…"

Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me.

Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"

John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were ... the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Later, John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?" Sounds like the founding of a Christian nation to me. John Quincy Adams went on to say that the biggest victory won in the American Revolution was that Christian principles and civil government would be tied together In what he called an "indissoluble" bond. The Founding Fathers understood that religion was inextricably part of our nation and government. The practice of the Christian religion in our government was not only welcomed but encouraged.

The intent of the First Amendment was well understood during the founding of our country. The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.

Even George Washington who certainly knew the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, since he presided over their formation, said in his "Farewell Address": "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars." Sure doesn't sound like Washington was trying to separate religion and politics.

John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Still sounds like the Founding Fathers knew this was a Christian nation.

This view, that we were a Christian nation, was hold for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation. In 1892 the Court stated:

"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is again! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".

The Treaty of Tripoli was not a treaty for peace at all..... It was a treaty promising tribute for safe passage..... at a time when our debts from the Revoluntionary War were unpaid.... and upwards of 20% demanded of our budget annually.

Interesting response to the President's 'this is not a Christian nation" speech is made here by Brigitte Gabriel, Founder and President of Act! for America
 

windcatcher

New Member
Related to muslim contributions is a long list of books available on this subject HERE After cruising throught the titles, one may not have enough information to judge the contents.... but it is evident that correctly muslims have impacted their world with such contributions as herbal medicine, surgery, architecture and art, cusine, carpet making, etc.

Here's an article which challenges the muslim contribution vs the price of destruction of knowledge and contributions GO HERE

It is reasonable to expect a person to be proud of his heritage. But a bias which is somewhat exclusionary in the official capacity as President of the US is suspect as to whether that person is more muslim than he is American, imo.
 

windcatcher

New Member
Does a Christian nation allow for the slaughter of 40+ million innocent children?

Interesting. Obviously and shamefully.... not all in leadership who call themselves 'Christian' act like it if one takes the Bible and measures the values of their business conduct, their loose stewardship of the people's money, the programs they promote, the way they used scripture to pursuade the sheeple while their actions betray their authenticity, their marital and sordid affairs, their preference to promote those likewise corrupted or corruptible, their restraint on Christian religious expression, the courts which have been dominated by those of Masonic type allegiances, schools which teach questionable theories of origin as though they were fact to displace the beliefs of many and promote obstruction of those who would present an alternative discussion or questions which the so-called 'scientific model' creates or leaves unanswered. Government has impacted the lives of the home, the school, the economy, the laws, and even our freedoms and protection and no longer consistenly recognizes the constitution as the law of the land....... and people go to church and the steward ship they learn is related to socialism, and their relationships and conduct to relativism of 'love and acceptance..... I'm okay and you're okay" instead of the sinfulness of human nature.....etc., etc., and abortion is becoming as acceptible among Christians as divorce and remarriage became in the 60's......... If we were a Christian nation...... we are fast moving away from that model of government which was designed upon the necessity of a moral and religious people.

I dare say, from other comments heard on this BB, we still have probably a more favorable comparison of devout Christians, as a percentage compared to the European nations of those who go to church, read their Bible, support home schooling or send their children to private schools, who've invested in a House of Worship, who give to missions, who volunteer for relief programs both here and abroad, and are often willing to serve to help those in disaster areas like Haiti, Mexico, South America, and missions in other hemispheers..... serving because of Christ in their lives even when muzzled by beauracy from witnessing ........ because they are Christians. Of course I can be wrong.....
 

targus

New Member
Does a Christian nation allow for the slaughter of 40+ million innocent children?

Why would one expect a nation comprised of a Christian majority to act consistent with Christian values when many individual Christians are incapable of the same?
 
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