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Zell Miller's Speech

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Monergist, Sep 2, 2004.

  1. dianetavegia

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    Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. THY KINGDOM COME...

    Even so.... Come Quickly Lord Jesus!
     
  2. poncho

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    mozier wrote
    I didn't realize you were a fan of mine mozier. Thanks for asking. I personally can't stand to listen to speeches from either faction of the US Globalist Party.

    Let's just say I agree with whatever Pa Jim has to say on this subject 100%
     
  3. Terry_Herrington

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    Why don't you ask us?
     
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    Mozier, if you search you will find that I have changed my position concerning politics. I cannot vote for any candidate that supports abortion or homosexual rights. For this reason, I will not be voting for Kerry in November, nor could I vote for Cheney were he running for president.

    I am tired of making one excuse after another and finding myself farther and farther away from what the Bible teaches. It's like trying to have a Christian perspective while believing in evolution. You must spiritualize the Bible to such an extent that you actually do not have a Bible in the end. We either accept what God said or we don't.
     
  5. The Galatian

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    It's aways funny when the story falls apart, and the demopublicans rush in to explain why their guy "wasn't really lying."

    Zell just got a better offer to tell a different story, and like those Swift Boat guys, cashed in. Now we know he lied.

    And he'll have to live with it. Whether he lied about Kerry then or now, it doesn't matter for him.
     
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    And what was that offer, pray tell??
     
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    Zell has supported every Democratic presidential candidate until now. That means that he has supported guys like LBJ, Carter, Clinton, and Gore. I wonder if Bush seems more Clintonesque, to Zell, than Kerry. If it weren't for the fact that he is retiring, Senator miller would in all likelihood be a Kerry supporter. Zell's speach was just meaningless rhetoric - lots of hoop-la.

    Roy
     
  8. The Galatian

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    Bush is more Clintonesque than Kerry.

    Pointing that up is are the polls that show most folks think he isn't telling the truth about his connections to the Swifties for Smear, but they still kinda like him.

    That's pure Clinton. He had that kind of affect on people, too.
     
  9. The Galatian

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    BTW, Miller's speech is largely cribbed from a rightwing email hoax regarding Kerry's alleged hostility to military preparedness.

    Here's the truth, from Snopes:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp

    "Origins: Numerous variants of this message claiming that Senator John Kerry of Masschusetts "voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988" have been circulating since at least February 2004. The message's implication — that Senator Kerry distinctly and specifically voted to kill upwards of a dozen different weapons systems — is inaccurate and grossly misleading, however."

    One of the more interesting bits:

    "The inclusion of some of the items listed here is all the more ridiculous given that they were weapons systems that a previous Republican administration advocated eliminating. For example, it was Dick Cheney himself, in his capacity as Secretary of Defense under President George H.W. Bush, who testified before the House Armed Services Committee on 13 August 1989 that he had recommended cancelling the AH-64 Apache Helicopter program:

    The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward. AH-64 . . . forced the Army to make choices. I said, "You can't have all three. We don't have the money for all three." So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out. That would save $1.6 billion in procurement and $200 million in spares over the next five years.
    (Note that this testimony took place over six years before Senator Kerry supposedly voted to "kill" the AH-64."


    I wonder what Dick was thinking as Zell was frothing over that one...


    Amazing, just amazing...

    I've got to admit, though, that this is disregard for the truth that borders on heroic. How many of us would get up before millions of people, directly contradict what we went on record saying earlier, and then toss in a lie of that magnitude?

    This guy has brass, and you have to respect that, if nothing else.
     
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    As I said earlier, Zell Miller is a typical Democrat of about eight years ago. The GOP and Bush are pretty much pushing the 1996 Democrat agenda, while the Democrats have moved further leftward. Christians are supporting this leftward shift of both parties with their votes.

    You now enthusiastically support a GOP president with no plan to outlaw abortion (isn't he supposed to be a leader, in addition to his political power?), and is spending our nation into oblivion. The next one will be worse...will you follow? Just how far left will you move, just to keep "your party" in power? Is Jesus your Rock, or are you building on shifting sand?
     
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    Single-Issue people!

    Yep... So concerned about not having a perfect patch on the nail hole they let the ship ship from the torpedo hit!

    Or, like the person mugged during daylight hours in a wide open parking lot with no other cars with-in fifty yards... Told police, "I didn't see them coming"!

    Please tell me... Who is *your* perfect candidate who is going to solve all your problems?

    Tell me who do *you* think is going to achieve an outright ban on abortion?

    Don't you thnk that the House and Senate *might* have something to say about it?

    Or, the Supreme Court?

    So, we ban abortion then get taken over or paralyzed by Radical Islamicists...

    We do not exist in a vacuum...

    And, the *ONLY* way we can act like we do is with a strong defense...
     
  12. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Who said anything about perfect? Or single issue?

    Government power is one issue. Bush has centralized and expanded government power very much in his first term. I don't like that.

    Spending is another. Bush has outstripped even the most liberal Democrats on that, makiing him the BIG SPENDING CHAMPION of all time. We no longer measure in billions, we're into TRILLIONS now. With four more years of this guy, a course on scientific notation will have to be a requirement for voting.

    Education is another. Bush has had a more leftist policy than any Democrat president. Spending has exploded (check his website, he brags about that!), and local schools are choked with requirements and regulations. I THOUGHT THIS KIND OF THING WAS WHY WE DIDN'T WANT DEMOCRATS IN OFFICE.

    Abortion is another, he has been mostly silent as 3800 babies are murdered daily, and has no plan to stop it. He doesn't seem to care, if you ask me.

    You seem to imply that we have a choice of either killing our offspring or being taken over by islamicists. But YOUR MAN both ignores the slaughter of innocents and hosts Ramadan celebrations in our White House.

    Why not kill terrorists, save babies, have a strong DEFENSE (I said DEFENSE), and return the federal government to its rightful functions?

    I thought that was what Republicans were supposed to be for, but I guess times have changed.

    As to your question of WHO I think would do the right things, I'd say MICHAEL PEROUTKA would be an imperfect but good president.
     
  13. Pennsylvania Jim

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    "...Mark my words. No liberalism with its denial of the Bible as the Word of God could ever be worse than the conservatism that equates the warfare-welfare state with biblical Christianity. Modern day conservatism is so completely destructive of true biblical Christianity that I would not for a moment even seem to equate the two.

    The only solution is to renounce our harlotry with the state – to say “Yes” to the right doctrines and, without compromise, to say “No” to the wrong doctrines of statism and neo-conservatism. Otherwise, God’s jealousy will surely lead Him to judge and destroy the faithless among His people who have fallen into idolatry and sin."
    SOURCE
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Zell Miller is now being castigated by the hacks that used to support anyone in the Democratic party. His fiery appeal is now being criticized as fanaticism when it used to be called conviction. Just goes to show you that, according to some, the worst crime a person can commit is thinking for themselves
     
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    I heard Zell Miller's speech, and I have to say that I was glad he spoke at the convention. He was the Lt. Gov and then the Gov. of GA when I lived there, and my wife was raised in GA. We both voted for him in the Gov's race back then, and were proud to do it, because he was more "right wing" than his republican adversary. I don't often vote democrat, but was proud to do it then and don't regret it in the least. Sen. Miller like everyone else has made his share of mistakes, one being his glowing endorsement of Kerry from just a bio that was sent to him a few years back. But, after 9/11, things changed. And during this race, I'm positive that Sen. Miller has done his research before speaking. He knows John Kerry now. He didn't then. I believe Sen Miller is a good man and spoke truthfully. I applaud his courage in standing up against his own waning party. He knows that the Republican party isn't what it used to be, as we all know it isn't. But, until there is another VIABLE option, Sen. Miller as others, knows that presently the Republicans are the best choice.

    AVL1984
     
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    Tom, many here would like to shove the Constitution Party down other people's throats and argue that the Republican party isn't a viable choice. Well, we'll just have to see if the Constitution party comes anywhere close to the votes it needs to put a president in office this term. I don't believe so. Many are going to go ahead continue to castigate anyone who stands against Kerry, especially someone from his own party. They also will rail against anyone who votes for Mr. Bush. But, until there is a VIABLE option, someone who actually has a chance of winning an election against "Mr. Flip Flop Spitball" aka, John F. Kerry, other than Mr. Bush, I will be voting for Mr. Bush.

    AVL1984
     
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    I think that will only happen if we get another Ross Perot-type who has a stable personality and builds his/her platform on the issues that the major parties ignore - the federal budget deficit, the trade deficit, outsourcing of jobs, protecting our borders, reforming social security, and reforming medicare.
     
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    Or, more accurately, the worst crime a person can commit is to speak out against Der Party.

    Similar to the way most Christians hate a man who calls for a return to godly government if he's not a Republican.
     
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    Now I agree with Pa Jim 200% on this issue...in case anyone is still wodering how I think about this subject... ;)

    Amen Pa Jim!
     
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