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Go take your perverted gospel and play games elsewhere as no one is stupid enough to accept your twisted interpretations followed by such threats!

 

Truth Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

The unsaved person does not love God.
Thus if this is the way that you present salvation the person will not get saved. You are asking him to do the impossible. He cannot love God, and will not obey God in his unsaved condition.

It is a message of works--a works based salvation which Paul calls "accursed."

 

What did Biblicist say. You have a method of doing things? It is called RJP isn't it?
You don't deal with the text. You ignore context. The topic was about the unsaved coming to Christ, the unsaved loving Christ, the unsaved obeying Christ.
What do you do?
You quote a command that Christ gives to his disciples only, a command on discipleship. Is this what Biblicist was referring to as RJP? I think so.

 

Let me repeat myself for I fear you did not understand me the first time.

Now, let me emphasize once again:
An unsaved person cannot love God!
An unsaved person cannot obey God!

Don't quote Scripture that Jesus uses for his disciples or for Christians. It is not applicable.
All their works are as "filthy rags." They cannot do good in the sight of God for they are unsaved.

 

God calls on unsaved men everywhere to repent and exercise faith in Him. Those works God calls upon man to perform are not filthy rags in the sight of God DHK, inspite of your failure to properly understand the true import of your favorite 'filthy rags' proof text, used by you on a consistent basis out of context and unreasonably applied.

 

hp

False Teaching, God calls no one to repent but those who have been borrn again by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

God does not call an unsaved person to perform any works, that person is unsaved by Christ and on their way to hell !

 

First of all, Jesus is with them in the flesh and is promising to send them the Comforter, the Holy Spirit when He departs after his ascension, when he will no longer be with them in the flesh.

Second, he is speaking only to his disciples. This conversation started in chapter 13 when he washed the disciples feet. Look at some of the above Scriptures to get the context:

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
--Thomas, one of the twelve asks him a question.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
--Then Philip, another Apostle asks a question.

The verses you quoted are directed only to the disciples and have nothing to do with the unsaved.
--Three times (vs. 15,21,23) does Jesus tell them that the great demonstration of their discipleship and love toward Christ will be their obedience to Him.
No unsaved person can obey Christ in the way that he was demanding of his disciples. This was an intimate conversation with his disciples right before the Jews and Romans came to arrest him just a few chapters later.

John 14:16-19 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

The Comforter (Holy Spirit would come) but they would not see Christ; Christ would go.

 

The great demonstration of our love for Christ is evidenced in our obedience to him.

Read and understand. I did answer your question. It is addressed to disciples, Christians, not the unsaved.

 

If you love me keep my commandments.
Those (Christians) that love Christ will keep his commandments.
The great demonstration of our love for Him is evidenced in our obedience to Him.

That is the first part of your question.
The second part I have explained already. The Holy Spirit would come at Pentecost. He constantly told his apostles to wait at Jerusalem until the Comforter or the Spirit would come. Even in Acts 1, the disciples were told the same thing.

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The Holy Spirit would come with power on the Day of Pentecost.

 

HP: Not according to you. You would indicate that one is sinning if they claim to be righteous before God. How can one say they are keeping the commandments of God if they say in their stated testimony they sin every day?

You cannot have it both ways. Obedience is obedience and disobedience is disobedience, NOT obeying the commandments of God. You cannot say one loves God that is serving the flesh by sinning day after day, year after year, as a normal daily practice. Such a lifestyle is NOT in keeping with love and obedience towards God. It shows forth a lifestyle at direct antipodes with obedience and love towards God.

Choose ye this day who ye will serve is the clarion call. Choose one side or the other, either live in obedience or sin everyday, but living with one foot in the flesh and one in the Spirit daily will not work. Either you will love the one and despise the other, but one cannot serve God and mammon.

 

OH, I forgot about you HP. You never sin, are perfect and holy just like God. You have put yourself on the same status as Christ. Why you have never even had an evil thought have you. You have never misrepresented anyone on this board, never lied, never been angry, never coveted anything, never sinned in any way at anytime. You are absolutely sinless just like God.

Too bad you haven't read the consequence of that claim in 1John 1:8,10.

 

This is pre-cross. Christ is with his disciples. His disciples loved. The Pharisees hated him. Yes, those that did not keep his commandments (the Pharisees) hated Christ, and then crucified him. Put it in context.

Because they loved him. And if they loved him they would wait for the Spirit's coming. Again this was pre-cross, and they were his disciples.

Again it was pre-cross. He was speaking to the 12. Please get that through your head. The 12 would receive the Holy Spirit. That is what He was telling them. It was the 12 that would obey him. It was the 12 that loved him. You do not understand this passage do you??