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All you explained was that Jesus was talking about spiritual father hood yet we see with Timothy and 1 Corinthians Paul claims this title for himself. So either he disobeyed Jesus Christ or you are wrong about the meaning.

You didn't answer you made an excuse for not doing what you believed Jesus told you to do.

Exactly you made an excuse for not following Jesus unless you really believe he was using hyperbole to make a point.

So Paul doesn't say what Paul says? Yes he said they were not born of many fathers. But he also says

Saying he's their father that they weren't the product of many different faiths. So he's their spiritual father which he is claiming to be!

According to you he disobeyed Jesus commandment!!!! Why even consider him to have written scripture?

You show your lack of knowledge both scripture and fact. Paul calls himself other christians' Father (and he meant spiritually). And Pope means father. All bishops were called Papa or father. Tribal elders are also called father. Its certianly cultural. Jesus again was using hyperbole.

Now your jumping topics. all I hear you say is "Catholic are bad blah blah blah blah" regurgitate the same nonsence. let me ask you this question Why is peter listed first in every listing of the 12 apostles in scripture? Why did Jesus give peter the keys of the kingdom?

The fact you don't want to admit is you still sin but haven't cut anything off.

The question doesn't apply to me because I know Jesus was using Hyperbole. You on the other hand claim he isn't therefore you not I are being hypocritical by not cutting any body part off.

Yes he is!!! Amen.

 

Moriah;

People were never forgiven by the works of the law.....never...it is always by or through grace....never works.

 

Paul said we did NOT have many fathers in Christ, meaning not many Apostles. The Catholics have MANY fathers.
Paul never said to call him ‘father.’ Yet the Catholic Church calls their priests father, and the priests even call each other father! The priests call each other father! Jesus says we are brothers. If that is not defiance against the Word of God then what is?

You are the one who makes excuses to do what God says not to do. Do not call your spiritual brothers ‘father.’ It is that simple, but you refuse to obey, why?
YOU TELL ME HOW YOU OBEY GOD IN NOT CALLING ANYONE ON EARTH FATHER. Tell me now.

I obey Jesus and you call it an excuse. That is nonsense talk.

One can see more clearly the perversion of the Catholic Church, for Paul says we do not have many fathers through Christ, but the Catholic Church has MANY, so many that is would go into the thousands.

You are like many who misunderstand Paul do, to their destruction.

Jesus was serious about what he said. Catholics sin by calling all their popes ‘father,’ by calling their Cardinals ‘father,’ by calling their Bishops ‘father,’ by calling their priests ‘father.’
Your popes, cardinals, bishops, and priests’ sin by calling each other father and for having others call them father.
Wisdom proves you wrong, when you call everyone in your church father and they call themselves father, Jesus says they are brothers.

I am not jumping topics. You say all you hear is my saying Catholics are bad, but you should be hearing the words of God, because that is what I am quoting. You should be hearing that I am trying to help someone do right and know God better.

You cannot imagine giving up any sin can you? You have no idea what that is like do you, or else you would not say such ridiculous things to me.

If I stopped sinning with it, then why should I cut it off? Again and again you show that you have not stopped sinning in any way, or else you would not speak such things to me and call me a hypocrite.

Jesus is the bread from heaven. He is not a loaf of bread that the Catholics make him out to be in their unspiritual minds. All the Catholic priests throughout the world are NOT every day or any day turning the wafers into the real body of Jesus. All the Catholic priests throughout the world are NOT every day or any day turning wine into the real blood of Jesus.

 

Iconoclast,

You are wrong, for the life of a creature is in the blood, and God has given it to the Israelites to make atonement for themselves on the altar, it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.

Leviticus 17:10 “‘Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood—I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people. 11 For the life of a creature is in the blood,(S) and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.”

 

Evangelist-7,

Why do you have a hard time answering simple questions? Why do you answer questions with insults to others? Who said the Truth is found in the number of people who believe it? Why do you speak of things as if I said them? Where do you think I have looked to man for God’s Truth, when I am not in any denomination, not even in non-denominational?

How about you answer the question, and the question was whether or not you watched the video.

 

Tongues, prophecies, and new knowledge have ceased.
You cannot add to the word of God. The Bible has everything we need for salvation.
In the New Testament, we have the “perfect law,” the perfect law has been given to us.

 

you have it wrong;
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

Iconoclast,

You said, “People were never forgiven by the works of the law.....never...it is always by or through grace....never works.”

I then replied back to you and gave you scripture showing that the works of animal sacrifices forgave the Jews. I also gave scripture showing you this.

Leviticus 17:10 “‘Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood—I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people. 11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.”

You then come back and tell me I have it wrong, and then quote Galatians 2:16.

Tell me, why did you not deal with the scripture I gave you? Why did you not deal with Leviticus 17:10? It is as if you thought you could nullify God’s word in Leviticus 17:10 by using Galatians 2:16. Did you think God was not serious in Leviticus?

The blood of animals was used by the Jews to make atonement for their sins. That is the truth.

What Paul is explaining in Galatians 2:16 that you quoted---that is the NEW TESTAMENT, that is how things are now, not how things were. Since Jesus came and shed his blood on the cross, all must go through Jesus to be saved, not by the works of the law and shedding blood from animals. That truth does not change the fact that shedding the blood of animals was something they had to do, for the atonement of their sins, it was the law.
So you see, you have it wrong, very wrong.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

The Jews were God's children and remained so by the works of the law. However, in Jesus Christ works NO LONGER save us. We no longer have to shed the blood of animals. We no longer have to be circumcised. In the Old Testament people had to obey God, and we still do today. We always had to abstain from evil and do good. The works of the law are circumcision, sin offerings, and things like that.

 

moriah

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

not possible....the post stands as written....not possible:wavey:

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God


never

 

Iconoclast,

Why do you think that God told the Jews to get the blood of animals to make atonement?

Do you think that the Jews could choose not to do this? Please answer yes or no.

Do you think that those who had faith in God did not have to do this?

What do you think would happen if they did not do this?

When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool, and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.” In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Do you understand that it was the COMMANDMENT OF GOD, THAT IT WAS THE LAW, and IT WAS THE LAW WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE HAD FAITH IN GOD? Do you understand that? Do you understand that they had to do those things, even though they did not take away sins?
Do you understand that THEY STILL HAD TO DO THOSE THINGS THAT GOD SAID TO DO?

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming---not the realities themselves.

We have TO BELIEVE AND OBEY GOD.

Now you go ahead and answer me if Abraham had to be circumcised. He was a believer in God, did he have to be circumcised?

You tell me if Moses had to circumcise his son.

You tell me if Job had to make sin offerings.
Job was a righteous man, did he have to give sin offerings?

I am waiting for you to tell me.

 

all looked forward to Jesus, Jesus saves....they were commanded to keep the law but that did not save them, Jesus saves.
we are commanded to keep the law but that does not save us...Jesus saves

 

you are mistaken:wavey:

 

Jesus saves those who believe and obey him.

God gave the Jews commandments for them to obey; they would be cut off if they did not obey them. God said the life of a creature is in the blood, and He gave it to them to make atonement for themselves on the altar. Whether or not the blood of animals takes away sins is NOT the issue, the point is TBEY GOD.

Leviticus 17:10-12 “‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people. 11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.”

 

jesus IS the same as reagarding his nature/attributes, but it does NOT mean that we should experience Acts today in this present age of grace!

 

Evangelist-7,

The Bible does not say Jesus spoke in tongues.

The Bible says speaking in tongues were a sign to the Jews, and the sign was given.

Speaking in tongues were during the laying of the foundation, the foundation has been laid.

The believers in the Bible times who spoke in tongues, they spoke in tongues supernaturally. The believers who supposedly speak in tongues nowadays, they speak gibberish and believe God turns their gibberish into supernatural language, and that is a false doctrine.