Featured Christ our Creator's Sabbath in Gen 2? Really?

Modern abberations in Calendars - re-arranges the ordering of the days of the week. But such recent customs should not be a source of confusion for several reasons.

The Jews say the 7th day is Saturday - and that religion has been around a while.
The Christians all agree that the first day is Sunday - and that religion has been around a while.
Even Islam with Friday prayers is in agreement that Saturday is the 7th day of the week.

So "not really confusing" to about half the world's population.

And in saying that - they are showing a certain level of agreement with each other.

In Hebrew, Latin, Greek, Spanish, Persian, High German, Arabic - all languages associated with the Bible or recognized by western society -

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-resources/article-library/id/912/which-day-of-the-week.aspx

The word for Saturday - is Sabbath.

So even if one were not Christian, or Jew, or Muslim - it would have been easy to get that point.

In Exodus 16 God says "TOMORROW is the Sabbath".

On 6 days manna fell - on the seventh-day it did not - for 40 years. The Jews "figured it out" by then.

Christ observed the Sabbath as well (see Matt 4 ).

It is known today which day was being observed as the 7th day of the week by the Jews during the time of Rome.

So while I do agree that some people today are confused despite all the evidence. It is not many.

And even in Europe today - the Christians think that Christ was raised from the dead on the first day of the week - as the Bible says, and that that day is Sunday.

Just not that hard for them to figure out regardless of the printing practices of some calendar makers.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Matt 5
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5
2 By this
we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

No wonder then the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 so strongly affirms the Bible doctrine on the TEN Commandments as given to Adam in Eden and still applicable to the saints today.

in Christ,

Bob

 

No such text in all of scripture - no not even one such text.

Yes He was raised on Sunday - but never said it was a day of worship, a day blessed and sanctified by God, a day that God called "MY Holy Day" and "The Holy Day of the Lord" - (Isaiah 58) for those affirmations by God about a particular day of the week - you will have to settle for God's Sabbath.

Indeed HE said He is "Lord of the Sabbath" Mark 2:27 - but makes no statement at all about week-day-1 in all of the NT.

The New Covenant of Jeremiah 321:31-33 is the ONLY covenant that Paul quotes in HEbrews 8 as the Christian New Covenant. In that ONE and ONLY New Covenant God writes "The LAW" of Jeremiah 31 on the "mind and heart".

Act 17:11 speaking of the OT - "They studied the SCRIPTURES daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them (by PAUL) were so" -- we call that "sola scriptura" testing of doctrine.

No wonder then the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 so strongly affirms the Bible doctrine on ALL of the TEN Commandments as given to Adam in Eden and still applicable to the saints today.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Christ said He was doing nothing to in any way down grade or break the Law of God.

Matt 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Your argument above is that "the Pharisee is right" to accuse Christ of breaking the Law of God - and that we should go and do likewise.


By contrast - I argue that "Christ was right" in His claim that what He was doing was NOT breaking the Law of God - as HE gave it.


The disciples were not "harvesting" they were simply picking wheat as they walked through the field - and eating what was in their hand. But the "traditions" of the elders regarding that as a sin. Something not found in all of the OT.



You are arguing for traditions of man - over the Word of God and thus taking the Pharisees side on this one.



in Christ,


Bob

 

While I don't know how this is diametrically opposed against the Sevent-day Aventist Fundamental beliefs - I do know this - 2005 was a long time ago. Amost 8 years and still the

in this thread I argue the point that anyone who takes Matt 28:1 and says "no matter that it does not say to worship, no matter that it does not say God blessed and sanctified that day, no matter that no command is given to mankind to keep that day holy -- YET that is the day of worship" -- THEN they have even MORE Bible support for the day of Genesis 2:1-3 for on that day starting in Eden there is even MORE Bible support for the Bible says in Gen 2:1-3 "God BLESSED the seventh day and made it holy".

Something we do not find even in Matt 28:1.

So if Matt 28:1 alone really is sufficient to establish a day of worship (no matter what day you may select for being the Matt 28:1 day) THEN Genesis 2:1-3 - even MORE so by direct command of God.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Galatians 4:4 speaks of the entire Law of God as known in the scriptures.

Christ did not break any of it.

He Himself states that He did not come to break the Law in Matt 5.

How have I changed on that view.

Gal 4:10 speaks of pagan days - not the word of God. Paul is condemning anyone in Gal 4:10 that may be returning to a practice of observing pagan days - He is not condemning anyone for observing the commands in the Word of God. In fact in Romans 14 Paul insists that if someone wants to keep this or that day as found in the Word of God - they are welcomed to it.

I don't know why you are supposing a change on my part. What is up with that?

in Christ,

Bob

 

Thank you for the warm welcome.

Out of curiosity -does anyone know of any other SDAs that post here?

I thought at one time it came down to just me... but that was a few years ago - more may have been allowed to post here since then.

Does anyone know?

Not only do I not believe that - I don't know of any SDA that does believe it.

More than that - the Seventh-day Adventist church does not teach that the ceremonial law is binding on the saints after the cross.

Yes as we see in 1Thess 4 regarding "The dead in Christ" who have "fallen asleep".

We believe that the list of Bible doctrines accepted by the SDA denomination are the most accurate set of doctrines of any group. If I personally thought that some other denomination had a more correct statement of bible doctrine I would join it. Why would any Christian choose to be a member of a denomination that they knew to have less Biblical than some other denomination.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Thank you for your kind post Gregory. No offense taken nor suspicion nor do I insist that everyone agree with all of my beliefs in order to be friends or agreeable. So no problem.

The SDA statment of faith consists of 28 fundamental beliefs and can be found here - in simple concise short form.
http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/.

SDAs believe in the Acts 17:11 of "sola scriptura testing" of all doctrine. In the Acts 17:11 case even Paul himself is held to that standard - so certainly non-canonical prophets such as Ellen White would be held to that standard.

Ellen Harmon was 17 years old at the time of the 1844 "great disappointment" when the Millerites (those following the prophetic interpretation methods of William Miller - but not a denomination - rather an interfaith movement) had set their last and final date predicting the end of the world and second coming.

She married James White in 1845 at the age of 18.

She did not have any visions until after the Oct 22, 1844 date and was not thought of as a prophet by anyone during the Millerite movement prior to that date. The Mormon leader Joseph Smith died in June 27, 1844 and the general feeling among the Millerites and all Christians in general was total rejection of the idea of a modern day prophet - far more so than even today. No one (including Ellen Harmon) wanted to have anything to do with it.)

Once the Oct 22 date passed - the Millerites pretty much disbanded. A group of about 50 (out of nearly 50,000 in the U.S.) eventually went on to the form what is known today as the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

At first they were all Sunday keeping - just like the Millerites. But at some point in 1845 some Seventh-day Baptists began discussions with a sea captain by the name of Joseph Bates who was a friend of Ellen and James White.

All of the doctrines of the SDA denomination came about as a result of a study group consisting of James White, Uriah Smith and some others. But Ellen White was not part of the study group even though she attended the meetings with her husband. No one was looking to her for her views on this or that Bible text or Bible doctrine.

Nor did their efforts to clarify doctrines follow the process of waiting for God to give Ellen White a vision on some Bible doctrine and then trying to see if it was legit.

Rather they went to the Bible first and began hammering out what they thought was the best Bible statement on a given doctrine. And they went point by point.

In a few instances when they were stuck on some point - and could not figure out the right answer to a given question - God would give Ellen White a vision on that one point. And then they would move on to the next step. Her part was extremely limited to the point that she really was not studying the Bible much since she was experiencing some mild form of sickness making her a bit fuzzy headed. She simply was unable at the time to follow the discussions. As a result, when SDAs conduct evangelistic meetings/Bible studies they do not present the messages God gave Ellen White. Rather we simply go through the statement of faith, taking each doctrine and looking at the Bible evidence for it. If the one studying the Bible rejects the Bible basis for the doctrines - the study ends because the Bible is the final test of all doctrine. We do not have the practice of adding messages God gave Ellen White on this or that Bible doctrine as if this should have weight with a non-SDA studying the Bible with us to determine which doctrines are correct.

It original process of determining our statement of faith was rather methodical in the form they took. This was the early days and they were not necessarily look to Ellen White for anything.

When the Sabbath question was introduced by Joseph Bates to Ellen and James White - they were both predisposed not give it much attention. But eventually they and a number of other Adventist leaders studied the subject from the Bible in depth - until they saw that the Seventh-day Baptist position was correct.

in Christ,

Bob