Featured Does it honor God to break the Sabbath memorial of creation?

Speaking of the dark ages practice of calling someone a "heretic" and settling for 'name calling" to avoid sola scriptura evidence from the Bible I said ..

As I said - acrimony, vitriol name calling are a poor substitute for sola scriptura Bible study.

You continue to avoid the Bible texts I highlight and circle back to an all-name-calling solution.

It was tried in the dark ages - it did not stop the Protestant reformation.

Your doctrine and your traditions have to be able to hold up to the test of scripture according to the Protestant principle of sola scriptura testing.

Bible avoidance to the point of "just name calling" solves nothing.

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For those who can "see" scripture posted even if it is posted by someone not in your own denomination ... we have this from the opening post.

Warring against the Sabbath - (war against the Law of God) according to Paul in Romans 8 takes the form

Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

It makes no sense for born-again Christians to argue in favor of the case for 'does not subject itself to the LAW of God" and 'Not even ABLE to do so" given the text of Romans 8.

And so -- It makes no sense for born-again Christians to argue in favor of the case for 'does not subject itself to the LAW of God" and 'Not even ABLE to do so" given the text of Romans 8.

Can we at least get to the easy part first? or is this going to be a reject-all step by step?

One of the clear Bible texts you are carefully ignoring from the OP is this reference -


God's WORD includes the statement and in Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath" God says "All mankind shall come before Me to Worship" in the new heavens and new earth.

I believe that a number of Bible students will see in that text - a hint about how to keep the Sabbath. Objective unbiased readers at least. And while some have stated that they are confident such readers are not at BB - I am convinced they are. In fact I believe there are some Sunday keeping Christians here who see this in a similar light regarding the Sabbath day and worship.

in Christ,

Bob

 

No group consists of "All saved" or "all lost".

I thought we all were on the same page on that one.

Back to the Bible.

Some are some aren't. This is not the debate. As I stated above - every denomination is compose of some saved and some lost.

Surely this is not a sticking point???

By saved and lost - I mean "Saved - born again, sons and daughters of God, the body of Christ" -- how many ways to say it??

There are some of those in every denomination.

So also there are lost people in every denomination.

Now what about the Bible itself? And the points it raises on this topic?

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Warring against the Sabbath - (war against the Law of God) according to Paul in Romans 8 takes the form

Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

It makes no sense for born-again Christians to argue in favor of the case for 'does not subject itself to the LAW of God" and 'Not even ABLE to do so" given the text of Romans 8.

And so -- It makes no sense for born-again Christians to argue in favor of the case for 'does not subject itself to the LAW of God" and 'Not even ABLE to do so" given the text of Romans 8.

Can we at least get to the easy part first? or is this going to be a reject-all step by step?

One of the clear Bible texts you are carefully ignoring from the OP is this reference -


God's WORD includes the statement and in Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath" God says "All mankind shall come before Me to Worship" in the new heavens and new earth.

I believe that a number of Bible students will see in that text - a hint about how to keep the Sabbath. Objective unbiased readers at least. And while some have stated that they are confident such readers are not at BB - I am convinced they are. In fact I believe there are some Sunday keeping Christians here who see this in a similar light regarding the Sabbath day and worship.

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in Christ,

Bob

 

I said - regarding salvation

To which - inexplicably you respond

Whaaaat!!????

How many ways to say it???

How can a statement saying that SOME are saved and SOME are lost be interpreted as "NONE are saved"?????

How do you do that??

in Christ,

Bob

 

I didn't author the Bible - I don't have a 4th commandment Sabbath - God does. I simply choose to honor it - along with the Seventh-day Baptists.

as pointed out in the OP.

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In Rev 14:7 we find that God says to "Worship Him who made the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of waters".

In Ex 20:8-11 God speaks with His own voice - and states the TEN commandments "Written in stone" as well.

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep IT holy... 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed THE Sabbath day and made it holy."


God's WORD includes the statement and in Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath" God says "All mankind shall come before Me to Worship" in the new heavens and new earth.

And Jesus in John 1 is stated to be the Creator - the MAKER of all

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

So how is it that some imagine that war against Christ's own Sabbath memorial of HIS creative work - is "pleasing to God"??

Shall we "Worship Him who made the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of waters". - by being at war with His own weekly day of worship setup as a memorial of HIS work in Creation?

What are your thoughts?

(Of course I already know that the Seventh-day Baptists will agree with this - but what about others?)

 

Now see we need not condemn the Seventh-day Baptists simply because they choose to honor God's TEN commandments instead of warring against them.

Neither do I choose to condemn D.L. Moody or the Spurgeon in his edit of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" for their affirmation of the Ten Commandments.

I object to their attempting to "Bend" the 4th commandment to point to any day but God's 7th day.

But I do not object to their observation that those who try to delete the 4th commandment are dead wrong.

in Christ,

Bob

 

1. In the Sabbath discussions so far - you have been defending or at war with the 4th Commandment as God gave it in the actual Bible?? If in favor - please point to those posts. (Hint: I have given you a lot of opportunities to claim support for it in the way that D.L. Moody did and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" did - because then we can have the discussion on where I do differ with them in their promotion of it - but I have missed that point where you step up to the plate even as far as they did).

2. Your opening baseless accusation is easy enough to sling about - but you have yet to prove it - UNLESS it is your claim that to actually obey the Sabbath Commandment as God wrote it in stone - is "evil".

So at what point are you making a statement that you are willing to explain/prove/defend with fact?

in Christ,

Bob

 

I said that there are in fact saved people in all denominations.

Which part of that answer are you struggling with?

Are you "imagining" to yourself that I really mean to say "There are people who keep the 7th day of the week as Sabbath in all denominations and those are the ones that are saved"/??

Surely you have not gone to such an extreme in making up a case for my position. But if you are playing that game - let us all in the secret.

I take no such position and your argument is best served with the actual facts in my posts as being my position. You are free to object to my views - but you should at least be able to read them and state them with some level of accuracy.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Still waiting for Steaver to answer these questions regarding his own post.

in Christ,

Bob

 

First of all I am glad you have finally decided that God's Sabbath Commandment " is a Good thing" and not something to be at war against.

I am also glad you have decided to Honor it. Would you mind actually quoting it for us - from the actual Word of God?

I just want to encourage you and to affirm your decision to honor (I.e. Obey) the 4th commandment just as God gave it.

And as much as I like the part where you quote you in your statement that you think Christ "Is the Sabbath" - I think you need to stick with what is actually written in scripture when stating doctrinal points of faith.

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"Some" of our Catholic friends claim that when we refer to the 10 Commandments and "make no graven image" that they are keeping this commandment in spirit - just not to the very letter.

I think that few Protestants are fooled by that statement. But I could be wrong.


in Christ,

Bob

 

Originally Posted by steaver
You miss the spirit of law and hold fast to the letter. I worship Jesus Christ and honor His Sabbath everyday for He is the Sabbath for everyone who believes.

So the question is - can you bring yourself to even quote it - in your honoring of it??

I for one would love to see it.

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ok so "now" comes the hedging? Not even a quote of the scripture you claim to honor?

Thanks. Would you mind if it the scripture was quoted now?

You know - the "Commandment" that defines the Sabbath and tells us to remember it ... "that one"??

If we are going to honor it - we should be able to bring ourselves to the point of actually quoting it.

Surely you will agree with me on this easy point. I am not starting off with anything difficult here.

Moody was not afraid to quote it - surely we can see that as well.

Hint: Even your own Baptist Confession of Faith admits to the TEN Commandments being the MORAL law of God applicable to all mankind with the first FOUR describing our duty to God... and also admitting to the Bible fact that CIVIL LAWS in Israel are not to be conflated into the TEN Commandments as you have just done. You knew that right? I mean I have quoted that much about a dozen times so far.

(Or maybe you meant to say that your honoring of the Sabbath includes gathering stick on a certain day. If so just let me know for the sake of clarity)

in Christ,

Bob