Featured Irresistible Grace, John 6:37

Which we no longer have since the fall!

 

You know, Willis, this is VERY TRASHY unless you can provide substantial proof of what you claim here.

Show where a reputable Calvinist EVER taught that irresistable grace meant that sinners could never resist the grace or Spirit of God.

No reputable Calvinist has EVER claimed that to my knowledge.

The idea is that when God intends to save by grace, at that moment, it is irresistable.


This is further proof that people like you resist something that you know very little about.

This is why seminaries exist. Not because everybody must have them to be knowledgeable about theology. No. There are some very bright, very studious people out there who can get by without them.

But because there are so many people like you, Winman and Van who DO NEED THEM DESPERATELY.

This accusation of double-speak without substantiation is pure trash and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I don't care if you accuse us of double-speak if you provide evidence of it- but for you to just make such a claim totally without warrant is very trashy.

 

actually, doesn't ONLY calvinism , in regards to salvation, teach that Jesus death really did secure salvation for at least some?

Doesn't non cal ststae that His deatj meant any could be saved, but since up to us to accept/reject, not really securing any to get saved?

 

See, there's your problem Willis, you are stupid. This is why you cannot understand contradictions and illogical fallacies.

You need a good education at a Reformed seminary, then you will be able to believe all sorts of nonsensical stuff.

 

Many who hold to DoG went to places like Dallas theological Seminary... When did that place become reformed?

 

Think that MANY of us here know that we heard about jesus quite awhile, and then in Gods sovereign time, right place/time, everything "clicked", and made sense to trust in jesus, believe in him and got saved!

 

Yes, this is exactly my point. If God's will is to allow us to make autonomous choices, life or death, then this verse does not support exhaustive determinism, but rather supports the non-Calvinism view.

What your citations proved were the innumerated points which I did not challenge. Therefore, you proved "a" the innumerated points, then claimed you proved "b" exhaustive determinism.

Calvinism teaches salvation is by compulsion, irresistible grace ring a bell. Folks with no ability to seek God and trust in Christ are altered such that they willingly seek God and trust in Christ.

Is it a "conclusion" that the inheritance was predestined based on Ephesians 1:11? Nope, just read it, it says it plain as day. But lets review. When a person is placed in Christ, they are sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit. I assume you agree with that fundamental truth. The Holy Spirit is given as a pledge of our inheritance. I assume you agree with that fundamental truth. And just what is our inheritance which God pledges, our redemption as God's own people. Now I will type this very slowly, because God gives His pledge of our inheritance, our inheritance is predestined by God. Now I just know you will find some way to deny this oh so obvious truth.

Words have meaning. Scripture say God sets before us the "choice" of life or death. If we can only choose death because of total spiritual inability, then choice must be redefined as meaning non-choice. Not what scripture says. Do you really not know where scripture says God sets before us the choice of life or death. And you are unable to Google it? Not credible.

In summary, Calvinism teaches God predestines all things, including sin, making Him the author of sin. However, they then say, God is not the author of the sin He predestines. This is an illogical absurdity and reveals Calvinism false bottom. It is a house build on sand in a wadi.

 

No it means I'm convinced you are wrong.

No it did what it was meant to do and that was to make Salvation avaliable to everyone.

The Word of God is sufficent for every problem. Just ask the Word and see.

I can agree with this though it is not our faith but that of Jesus Christ even though we our selves believe that we might be saved by the faith of Christ.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

MB

 

Hi Van. RB should know that man is not a thing.
MB

 

the weak article offers scripture that has been refuted,many times already, so i can....:sleeping_2:

reformed baptist just listed dozens of verses you cannot begin to grasp...

You have lost all credibility

 

If you want to continue with this false idea.....Then Jesus does not actually save.

 

Of course He saves, but He has to be permitted to do it. He does not save against a persons will. God's election and man's free will choice unto salvation.

 

permitted????? no wonder we cannot agree

 

:laugh: That is one of the funniest things I've read hear in quite sometime. Thanks for the laugh!