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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Mar 23, 2014.

  1. Squire Robertsson

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    Poncho, authoritarianism comes in other flavors besides National Socialism or Fascism (though Putin is more of the later than the former). If he's channeling any historic figures, he's channeling Peter the Great as a person and Catherine the Great in his policies.
     
  2. church mouse guy

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    EWF, I will leave it to you to tell me who the American KGB or gestapo is.

    To return to the subject of the thread, Putin is more like Stalin than Hitler.
     
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    Iffin all that is true poncho they could redeem themselves by overthrowing Putin {I believe its pronounced Pewtin.} in my humble opinion. poncho can I assume you are fessin up to being a, gasp,gasp, a libertarian?
     
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  4. poncho

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    Yes indeed it does Squire! It comes in both democrat and republican flavors here scoop for scoop and the flavor of hypocrisy seems to be equally pleasurable to the palettes of both parties these days as well.
     
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    Sorry but I don't see him killing 30 million Russians.
     
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    You are going easy on Stalin. Hillary said that Putin is like Hitler, which to me is a bad analogy since Hitler was an Austrian. Putin is in the tradition of Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria/Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili but he is still a young man and in time he made get a respectable total to live up to his command of the KGB, which is still a gestapo agency without an American counterpart, unless, EWF, you can tell me that G.H.W. Bush was gestapo. Would it be correct to count the number that were murdered in the Ukraine and Crimea?

    Maybe we should just say that Putin is today's Beria?

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  7. poncho

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    What do you mean "if all that is true"? I can't hardly believe a man that knows history the way you do would even ask such thing just I can't believe you need me to remind you that only the blood of Jesus Christ has the power to wash men's sins away. Certainly a murderer cannot redeem himself by committing more murders.

    Besides right now Washington has us so far in debt we couldn't afford to go to war with a Mexican chihuahua let alone a Russian bear. Look around OR Washington can't even win a war in a devastated failed state like Iraq or Afghanistan even Assad is kicking the butts of Washington's pet Al Qeada proxies what makes you think Washington has the smarts the will the money or the manpower to go to war with Russia and win? Besides Washington lost it's ability to destabilize the Russian government when they booted out all it's NGOs.

    There's not going to be any "color revolutions" in Russia anytime soon.

    No I don't call myself a libertarian though I share some of their views no more than I call myself a republican because I share some of their views or a democrat because I share some of their views. I feel no need to take on some tribal identity other than the tribe of Christ.

    I identify with America because I am a natural born citizen of this land unlike the guy in the WH who was never qualified to to take up residence there in the first place and I just happen to believe we'd all be better off if we all got together and reined in the illegitimate powers that have infested Washington and boot the internationalists out of our country who care nothing about it other than what they can use it for on their cans. We're in need of a regime change right here and we could have one peacefully if we'd just stop hating each other and everyone else that refuses to take orders from Washington and Wall Street long enough to figure out it's the elite and elitism that's causing all our problems and not some other tribe here or another people in some far off land that most Americans can't even find on a map.
     
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    When did you start worrying about staying on topic?
     
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    However, I'm not dealing with domestic politics. I am dealing with Vladimir Vladimirovich's sources of inspiration. So, this comment is not much more than an attempt to introduce non-sequitorial material.
     
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    By the same logic, can we say that Lenin and Stalin were in the same tradition as Peter the Great and Catherine the Great? I think that Hillary was going in the right direction when she said that the comparison was to Hitler but I think that Stalin is the better example due to nationality but since we are talking about commandte of the KGB I myself am not opposed to Beria.
     
  11. poncho

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    Really? :laugh:

    I was dealing with how Americans have accepted authoritarianism and corporatism (fascism by more covert means) without to much fuss other than the occasional snort of disapproval so long as it can be framed as a problem coming from the "other political party" and not the one "I belong to".

    If any one is acting like Hitler it's the politicians in Washington and the media that use the self same type of fear and paranoia based propaganda on Americans Joesph Goebbels used on the German people.

    "If you aren't with us you're with the terrorists". Who's us? Never gets asked because "you're a traitor if ya do!".

    "If you aren't all about overthrowing the Russian government you must be a marxist it's the world's biggest threat to peace and stability!". Yes sir you tell em like it is Heir Goering!

    "If you don't want to invade Iraq and Iran you're a danger to the country!" Yes sir Hier Goebbels you sure got that right!

    Americans have picked up the Nazi's talking points and repeated them over and over so many times now we think we invented them.

    Putin is just the latest scapegoat of the perpetual warmongers in Washington and Wall Street. Who cares who his heros are?

    The biggest threat to our peace and security are the lame brained idiots in Washington that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag thinking they take on the whole world and no one will put up a fight to stop them.

    So far they've proven they can't even win a war against a country that was devastated by years of sanctions, no fly zones and two separate occupations.

    Not only that Obama has already given the boot to our most experienced generals and is trying his level best to feminize the military.

    You guys that want to go fight with Russia truly have star bangled eyes I just hope I live through this latest neocon corporate generated folly so I can say I told you it was a stupid idea. Again.
     
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    I have not heard one single person talk about invading Iran.
     
  13. poncho

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    Not yet but it's already on the hit list.

    Ya gotta follow the program. First ya demonize for awhile. Then destabilize for awhile and hope to get a reaction you can use as a pretext. If that don't work then ya demonize some more and you destabilize some more. If that still don't work ya take a known terrorist group off the "terror list" so you can legally fund them and train them and send them in to destabilize some more hoping to get a reaction so you can use it for a pretext . . .

    C'mon we've seen this same play how many times now?

    It's old hat. The globalists are even more predictable than you are Rev. At least you mix it up once in awhile. They never do. It's like they're addicted to same old plan and it's failed every single time to bring about the peace and prosperity for all for ever and ever amen they always promise to deliver if we just give them more money, more power and more control and another heapin helpin of our nation's youth to waste in their pursuit of "global harmony and deeper international integration".
     
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    Predictable? Predictable is the info wars conspiracy theorists.
     
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    I knew you were going to say that. :smilewinkgrin:

    Come on Rev what would you do without infowars? You'd have to spend most of your day surfing the net to find all those articles you post in the news forum. It's a great place to find them isn't it? The difference between you and me is I'm not ashamed or afraid to let others know where I get most of my articles from.
     
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