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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Brightfame52, Mar 1, 2024.

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    John 3:16 says everyone believing into Christ will not perish. That is a promise conditioned on God crediting their faith as righteousness.
     
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    Again Justification by Faith is the Gospel Promise to Abraham Gal 3:8

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
     
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    Believing is a promised blessing, its the blessing of Abraham. God promised Abraham a believing seed, so he is the Father of them that believe, by Gods promise Rom 4:11,17

    And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:


    (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
     
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    More nonsense, more obfuscation.

    John 3:16 says everyone believing into Christ will not perish. That is a promise conditioned on God crediting their faith as righteousness.
     
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    Believing is not a promised blessing.

    Everyone believing into Him promises that if God credits a person's belief as righteousness, He will translocate that individual into Christ's spiritual body where they will be made righteous.
     
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    You calling the Gospel non sense, Im not surprised Gal 3:8

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
     
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    @Van

    It is, God promised He would Justify the heathen by Faith. Believing comes with Faith duh
     
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    Yet another false claim with no scripture that says God gives belief. However we have scripture that says God credits the belief of people, such as Abraham, and those who believe God raised Jesus from the dead.

    No verse says or suggests the fiction of the gift of faith.

    God justifies the ungodly based on crediting the person's faith as righteousness.
     
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    He was raised for our justification. If He had not been risen we would still be in our sin. But the only ones justified are those that freely trust in Him.

    That is the biblical witness that you continue to ignore.

    Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    No faith no salvation.
     
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    It appears to me you deny what the resurrection of Christ confirms
     
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    How false teachers distort the Truth of Faith and dishonor Christ!


    One writer writes, and I agree, how some teach faith erroneously in the Doctrine of Justification and Salvation !

    Some hold the act of faith is that which God accepts to Justification, but this is a mistake, because it makes Christ inferior to faith, and in ascribing such an honor to faith, they dishonor Christ, for although they do not exclude Christ wholly, yet in the act of Justification, it gives all to faith. They say, ‘as the act of Adam’s sin condemned him, so our act of faith justifies us.’ Adam’s sin was enough to condemn him and us, but our faith cannot save others, nor ourselves. They reply, ‘but we are justified by faith.’ Christ is called faith. “Before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.” {Gal.3:23} “Before faith came;” which must be understood of Christ. We are justified before God in His sight only by Christ. {Rom.3:24} “My righteous servant (Christ) shall justify many.”{Is.53:11} We are not justified before God by faith which is in us, but by Christ, by his blood; justified by his blood. {Rom.5:9} That which saves us is the blood of Christ; Jesus Christ hath loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood. {Rev.1:5} Also we are said to be justified by faith, because it is the instrument whereby we apprehend and apply Christ our Righteousness; by faith we know ourselves to be justified. {Rom.5:1} Though faith be a grace of God, yet as it is an act, it is a work, and to be justified by it, is to be justified by a work of our own; for with the heart {man} believes. {Rom.10:9-10} That which justifies us, must be perfect, and so it is no act of ours; for all our Righteousness are as filthy rags, &c. {Is.64:6} Not of works, least any man should boast. {Eph.2:9} Samuel Richardson {Saint’s Desire, 1647}
     
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    Did you not read my post. The resurrection of Christ confirms that we are resurrection of Christ confirms. But note the words "resurrection of Christ confirms" which is we see in
    Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    Your response just shows that
    1] you do not read the posts
    2] you do not understand what the post said
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    3] you ignore anything that does not fit into your calvinist mindset
     
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    Yeah thats why I said what I said, you dont seem to believe the witness of Jesus Christs Resurrection, that those He died for are Justified.
     
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    Well since you disagree with the biblical text I will trust what the bible says. You are trying to teach a false theology.

    Christ resurrection provides the means for us to be saved, If one does not believe then they will not be saved.
    Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    You have to believe in Him prior to being saved by Him.Trust scripture that the Holy Spirit inspired.

    Where are you getting your false understanding from BF? What false teachers are you following?
     
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    Again, you dont seem to believe the Testification of the Resurrection of Christ Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

    He who was delivered over because of our wrongdoings, and was raised because of our justification.NASB


    who was betrayed and crucified because of our sins, and was raised [from the dead] because of our justification [our acquittal—absolving us of all sin before God].AMP

    A Gospel writer commented on Rom 4:25:

     
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    So let us go with your view that they is no condition to salvation. When Christ was raised He saved all those for whom He died.

    Joh 3:17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

    1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

    1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,

    1Ti 4:10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

    Rom 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

    So let's see for whom did Christ die: everyone, the whole world, all, all men, ungodly.
    So this verse covers them quite well would you not say:
    Rom 3:23     for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    Notice it does not say only some have sinned as you need it to say.

    And why would He do this: that the world through Him might be saved

    And why is anyone saved:
    Eph 1:13 In Him     you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

    But there is the pesky condition again, they have to believe.

    And just in case you missed that point
    Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    So no BF I did not miss what Rom 4:5 says but it seems you have. That is what happens BF when you continue to cherry pick verses to build your theology on, you come up with a false theology.
     
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    You still don't believe the testimony of Christ's Resurrection
     
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    False teachers misrepresent God's word and those who accurately present God's word.

    Did anyone say God "ACCEPTS" our worthless filthy rag faith as earning or requiring or meriting our justification? Nope.

    What does scripture say? God "CREDITS" or "RECKONS" our (the ungodly) faith into or as righteousness. The verb "credits" is passive, thus God is acting upon faith (turning a sows ear into a silk purse).

    Does this make the filthy rag faith superior to Christ? Nope

    Does this dishonor Christ? Nope

    Does this give all to our filthy rag faith? Nope

    One other common trait of the dark side is they charge those opposing them with being on the dark side.
     
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    You've been cautioned fellow
     
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