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I agree completly. :godisgood:

 

If you are going to use Greek then go to college and take at least a couple of years and study the language. What you said is complete nonsense, and simply not true. It is the equivalent of posting ignorance and misinformation. Ethically it is wrong.

lelew is the common word in the NT to speak. Never does it refer to just making sounds. It is intelligent speech. Your forced definition of "making sounds" inferring tongue-speaking of today which was never done in the Bible is wrong.
The word simply means to talk, to speak, to say, referring to communication.
In that vein a woman was never to teach a man nor have authority over a man; she was to remain silent in the church as the Scriptures dictated.

 

Paul may say "let them keep silent". However, the real question is how? :laugh:

But really, is this an issue? From my time at my old church Women never disrupted the service. What was more the issue was gossip and that applies to both sexes.

 

Awaken...

You posted...

Needless to say, you are absolutely correct on this. Unfortunetly, there are so very many who just will not let go of thier "sacred cow" regarding this issue

Its quite sad, to be honest.

 

The word is for "speech" not "but the word for making sounds," That is misinformation and a lie if you want to put it that way. Why would you agree with it?

 

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Do you wear a head covering in church?

Just wondering if you follow all of Paul's strictures or just one of them.

 

Here is what the Holy Spirit teaches:

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
--Greek is not among them.
Yes, you must go to college in order to learn Greek. By your postings I know you don't have the intelligence of a William Carey or a Charles Spurgeon, so one must go to college, learn the language, and not post in ignorance.

Let's see what Matthew Poole says about, an English nonconformist theologian of the mid-17th century.
1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

That is what a noted theologian says, one that knew the original languages. I don't post in ignorance. I also have studied Greek. From my study in Greek, I know what you said about the word lelew (to speak) is completely false. The word is one of the most common and basic to the Greek language, and one cannot assign arbitrarily such mystical meanings as you have.

Concerning this passage in 1Tim.2:11-13, Poole does an excellent job of expounding the entire passage with clarity.

If you interrupted me while I was preaching I would probably just ask you to leave--tongues or no tongues. How rude can you be!!

And yet it is directed only to women, and also in the context of tongues. That is significant. Women don't speak in tongues. (That is a command).
Women keep silence. (another command)
Women ask your husbands at home. (another command)
Women don't have authority over men.
Women don't teach men.

Fairly clear isn't it?

 

They were only "accused" of being unlearned men. Unlearned is one thing they weren't. In fact the Apostle Paul was probably the most educated person on the face of the earth at that time.
Just because people like Peter and John were fishermen from Galilee and were accused of being "unlearned" doesn't make that accusation true.
They both knew at least five different languages. How many do you know?
When John writes he often gives the Hebrew word, and then the Greek translation of it. Matthew quoted from the OT extensively, more than any other writer. Was he ignorant? Could an "ignorant" man write a book so complex as the Book of Revelation? John (one of the ones accused of unlearned) wrote a gospel of 22 chapters, an apocalyptic book of 22 chapters and then three epistles to add to that. Were they really ignorant?

It is a Greek word (lalew).
It doesn't have Hebrew roots!

 

I am content to let the rest of you argue over this subject. I am convinced of the correctness of what I believe, but this is one subject that could easily devolve into a p*****g contest, and I have no desire to be a part of that, as I see signs of that beginning to happen already. Who knows, if it returns to civility, I might contribute further.

 

Tell women to shut up or leave.

 

I cover my head. I wrap it tightly with gauze when I go to church.